I’ve tried the garford in no till and it didn’t work very well. All they need to do is make the hoe tines stronger.
Organic no till system ?
- Thread starter Clive
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organicguy
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@Clive I think you'll find plenty on here who believe the complete opposite to this, me for one.
i'm sure you are right but when something (livestock) is not in your skill set then considering doing it as part of your business is like me telling you that you should maybe have a go at heart surgery
Have you ever tested your harvested crops for residues of Glyphosate? Is that even possible? There would surely be a market for “Glyphosate residue free” flour. It wouldn’t need much of a premium to pay for the testing and allow you to carry on farming in the way that’s working for you. Too late perhaps
if your skill set is developing new markets your probably better off doing that and letting someone else do the farming bit
My skill set is farming
Hartwig
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No, not up to it now - it is one of my ideas and I drilled some clover with barley last autumn to get a semi-permanent-clover, but no results to show so far !Maybe I don't know
Could still plant into it in spring though. Especially if you did it quite early when the soil was still cold enough for the clover not to be awake yet.
I think @Hartwig does something like this.
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- Buckinghamshire
You have to be top of your game to make money from livestock these days. The right genetics plays a huge role in this. The most successful farms have built those genetics over a long period of time. Not for the faint hearted. The best way to get livestock onto a arable farm is how your doing it Clive.
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- Buckinghamshire
Regarding organic no till I think it would be possible for a few years but eventually you'll have to purchase a plough which is probably also not in your skill set now Clive.
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- Essex Coast
Not if you are direct drilling
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- Mid Northants
Why Organic ?
12" rows of spring wheat , 2 hoe passes ,each time applying fertilizer and on the 2nd one undersow clover and other covers ,
I think if you want the best out of N fertilizer and N fixing cover crops it would be best foliar apply the N to the cash crop and try and apply as little as possible to the cover crop.
Why organic ?
£325/t price for wheat to cover the reduced yields plus NE money I guess
If your going to use clover as nutrition you wouldn’t want to use herbicides, I already don’t use insecticides so it’s only the fungicides I would be giving up ! And with healthy perennial companion cropped soils and no synthetic N do we really need them anyway ?
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- Somerset UK
If you are all spring wheat how to you get around the 3 crop rule?
If you are all spring wheat how to you get around the 3 crop rule?
Good point ! Guess you could do this on part of your holding ?
Or do spring malting barley etc as well on similar system
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- Buckinghamshire
Is it wheat or clover?
You’d have some land fallowed with just cover crop to build fertility and you’d probably also grow some bits of cover crop seed to use on the other land. Job done.If you are all spring wheat how to you get around the 3 crop rule?
It’s whatever the cash crop is I guess
FARMERJERRY
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yes, it can be
3 crop rule doesn't apply to organic farmers but could be done with oats barley and beans as well if
Have you ever tested your harvested crops for residues of Glyphosate? Is that even possible? There would surely be a market for “Glyphosate residue free” flour. It wouldn’t need much of a premium to pay for the testing and allow you to carry on farming in the way that’s working for you. Too late perhaps
I've had that conversation with Gleadell/ADM and Cefetra who both have ties with European maltsters. None of them were prepared to pay a premium for a guarantee of no glyphosate residues despite them whingeing about it, so that was the end of that enquiry.
Aprox 4 years ago we stuck in all cost bills to be paid of... We decide go striptill way to reduce all fixed establishment costs būt my neighbour arable farm decide go all land in organic as prices on conventional grain was poor compared with bio. Now he is 100%organic, last year Peas price 330 eiro oats 265, rye 290....
I realy like idea to be organic, but I establish my crops with one pass... I got last year with all draught 3.88tha average Sbarley compared with neighbours 1.5tha oats.. .
Ewry time I see this ploughed clay... I understand that even cameleon system here will not work properly. But I am wery interested in New Electric weeder from zasso group... If that would be further instead of banned glyphosate and all crop establishment make with ultra low disturbance no till drill, that idea keap me thinking further. ..
I realy like idea to be organic, but I establish my crops with one pass... I got last year with all draught 3.88tha average Sbarley compared with neighbours 1.5tha oats.. .
Ewry time I see this ploughed clay... I understand that even cameleon system here will not work properly. But I am wery interested in New Electric weeder from zasso group... If that would be further instead of banned glyphosate and all crop establishment make with ultra low disturbance no till drill, that idea keap me thinking further. ..
