Voting Intentions

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Current UK reactors are incompatible with Tc-99 production - it’s a research reactor you use, not a power one, and we have none of those left. We could build a new one, but it would be more than the few million you suggest.
I see, another, "we can import it, no need to make our own" fine, till it all goes wrong. However, some one is going to have to build one, so why not us, the other users would come on stream to help with the cost, and there is an export market as well.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I see, another, "we can import it, no need to make our own" fine, till it all goes wrong. However, some one is going to have to build one, so why not us, the other users would come on stream to help with the cost, and there is an export market as well.

Read the report. It’s a few hundred million, which government would want help for. That’s not going well for Wylfa, is it?

International collaboration would be great, but that’s what the EU does and why would they join us when we’ve just told them to do one?

It’s a complicated situation, a long term project and we’ve just shot ourselves in the foot on this one.
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Read the report. It’s a few hundred million, which government would want help for. That’s not going well for Wylfa, is it?

International collaboration would be great, but that’s what the EU does and why would they join us when we’ve just told them to do one?

It’s a complicated situation, a long term project and we’ve just shot ourselves in the foot on this one.
What you are describing is what the EU does best. It is called entrapment. We have become so integrated and embroiled in their culture that we have lost the inclination to think for ourselves. Thus we become more dependent and that is exactly how they like it.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
What you are describing is what the EU does best. It is called entrapment. We have become so integrated and embroiled in their culture that we have lost the inclination to think for ourselves. Thus we become more dependent and that is exactly how they like it.

It’s called cost sharing. Which is the opposite of isolationism and is actually a very good idea. There’s no entrapment at all, just sensible socioeconomic reasons for collaboration.
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
It’s called cost sharing. Which is the opposite of isolationism and is actually a very good idea. There’s no entrapment at all, just sensible socioeconomic reasons for collaboration.
I am not opposed to cooperation and have mentioned this many times in various forums but it is amazing how often these lines of cooperation are in danger of being fractured when used as a stick to beat us with because we voted to leave their exclusive club. All fuel to the project fear bonfire along with security cooperation, rights of air passage and worst of all the Irish border.
 

Ncap

Member
It’s called cost sharing. Which is the opposite of isolationism and is actually a very good idea. There’s no entrapment at all, just sensible socioeconomic reasons for collaboration.
And (laugh at me for saying it, usual suspects) it's rather a nice way to live together. Have it as a default starting point and it's likely to work. Sadly it never seems to have been a very British approach (too many dreams of empire and a diet of imperialistic entertainment). Pretty much every thing launched in the UK (even when still in its pre-launch phase) gets called 'world-leading'. Usually it is accepted without question. That strip of water between us and mainland Europe has a lot to answer for.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
The one fact that I glean from this is that our leaving this agreement only changes the time scale. These reactors are failing, and so will have to be shut down in the not too distant future.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I am not opposed to cooperation and have mentioned this many times in various forums but it is amazing how often these lines of cooperation are in danger of being fractured when used as a stick to beat us with because we voted to leave their exclusive club. All fuel to the project fear bonfire along with security cooperation, rights of air passage and worst of all the Irish border.

It’s a complex legal structure you need when managing international affairs. And to be fair, the Euratom Treaty was noted pre-referendum as being part of the same vote.

Security cooperation is pro-Brexit Project fear isn’t it? If we don’t leave we will be forced to join the Euro army (lies, as I’m sure you know).

As for the Air Passage rights, I presume you refer to the very real need for international licences and the absence thereof in the run up to a no deal Brexit. We dodged a bullet there on many things, I’m sure, but the country seems to be doing things behind the scenes to prevent it happening if we go down to the wire again.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
The one fact that I glean from this is that our leaving this agreement only changes the time scale. These reactors are failing, and so will have to be shut down in the not too distant future.

Belgium has seven years left, and the new ones in France and Germany should be on stream by then. Belgium has been operating since 1961, so once they are up we have a few years to go before Europe should worry.

And let’s be honest, medical advances may mean that we don’t need it beyond 2030 - who knows. I know we need it beyond October 2019 though, and if we have another shortage, I won’t blame them for looking after their own first.

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arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
It’s a complex legal structure you need when managing international affairs. And to be fair, the Euratom Treaty was noted pre-referendum as being part of the same vote.

Security cooperation is pro-Brexit Project fear isn’t it? If we don’t leave we will be forced to join the Euro army (lies, as I’m sure you know).

As for the Air Passage rights, I presume you refer to the very real need for international licences and the absence thereof in the run up to a no deal Brexit. We dodged a bullet there on many things, I’m sure, but the country seems to be doing things behind the scenes to prevent it happening if we go down to the wire again.
My reference to national security referred to exchange of information and cooperation with regard to terrorism, not an EU army. When the federal state is up and running an EU army will be a natural requirement to prevent civil unrest as well as threats from outside. Had you not heard of the proposed federal state?
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
My reference to national security referred to exchange of information and cooperation with regard to terrorism, not an EU army. When the federal state is up and running an EU army will be a natural requirement to prevent civil unrest as well as threats from outside. Had you not heard of the proposed federal state?

Leaving Europol? That’s a certainty, if and when we Brexit.

And the European Army thing is bunkum - a few European politicians would like it, but it’s not official policy and would certainly be open for veto and opt out. The treaty of Madrid has been around for ten years already, before you (mis)cite it.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
And (laugh at me for saying it, usual suspects) it's rather a nice way to live together. Have it as a default starting point and it's likely to work. Sadly it never seems to have been a very British approach (too many dreams of empire and a diet of imperialistic entertainment). Pretty much every thing launched in the UK (even when still in its pre-launch phase) gets called 'world-leading'. Usually it is accepted without question. That strip of water between us and mainland Europe has a lot to answer for.
yes quite without it there would have been no need for the EU :rolleyes:
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
Current UK reactors are incompatible with Tc-99 production - it’s a research reactor you use, not a power one, and we have none of those left. We could build a new one, but it would be more than the few million you suggest.

If you want to believe that please carry on. Think you need to talk to some of our nuclear physicists and you might be a bit better informed.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
If you want to believe that please carry on. Think you need to talk to some of our nuclear physicists and you might be a bit better informed.

Sorry - with usable Tc-99 production. Plenty is produced in power reactors, but not of a purity you’d inject into humans.

From my linked report:
“A key part of 99mTc production is carried out in a small number of nuclear research reactors, none of which are in the UK (Box 2). Research reactors are used for materials testing, research and isotope production, and not for generating electricity.”
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
Sorry - with usable Tc-99 production. Plenty is produced in power reactors, but not of a purity you’d inject into humans.

From my linked report:
“A key part of 99mTc production is carried out in a small number of nuclear research reactors, none of which are in the UK (Box 2). Research reactors are used for materials testing, research and isotope production, and not for generating electricity.”

Comment still stands you need to talk to some of our nuclear physicists and you might be better informed. Who said anything about generating electricity.
 

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