CF New season Fert

teslacoils · Jun 11, 2019

Cropper said:
But isn’t it all a load of bullpoo?

Yup. But don't forget the joint power of political lobbying, and a reluctance to put the blame on consumers when you can saddle price-taking producers with costs. That's a political win. A serious reduction in emmissions of greenhouse gases can be achieved by simply rationing air travel. But imagine the uproar.

It's cost and blame shifting to ignore the less politically difficult choices.

Brisel · Jun 11, 2019

Cropper said:
But isn’t it all a load of bullpoo? If a significant amount of urea was being volatilised it wouldn’t produce the same yield as AN, which independent trials show it does. It seems it’s only the AN manufacturers who exaggerate the possibility of urea volatilisation.

The volatilisation models are all laboratory based as far as I can tell, promoted by sellers of AN. Yep, a lot of dodgy science used! Volatilisation is real but urea needs to be broadcast onto high pH dry bare soils at >25 oC to have any significant loss.

Ironic how Yara & CF are some of the worlds biggest producers of urea yet in Western Europe the historic use of AN (an alternative use for ANFO explosives produced for the WW2 effort) means their marketing departments are flogging higher margin AN and slagging off urea. Nowt to do with feeling threatened by global urea undercutting their little empires then...

Chae1 · Jun 11, 2019

Mr Charisma said:
First year I've put my fert in a pool but they guarantee to buy on first day of trading which may become difficult for us smaller chaps to do when CF only sell for a short time on each day they release a limited tonnage

Only time will tell if I'm a fool or not

That's part of problem, they've thousands of tons committed for new season prices before they bring them out.

I'm as bad, i commited to 2 loads a few weeks ago before i knew price.

Beefsmith · Jun 12, 2019

Rob78 said:
Had a text today from a supplier saying new season nitram would be in the region of £250/t are many buying at this price? Don’t see how they can justify that price

We normally buy and pay this time of the year but have decided to leave it and we will pay as we need it and cut the amount we need via alternative crops that do not need as much. The prices are silly.

radar · Jun 12, 2019

While we are talking fertiliser - yes I've bought 50% of requirement -delivery next week - I've just found out that my recycling centre wants the liners removed. Spent the day unbundling and rebundling. Yara bags very difficult as the liner is stitched into the lifting hoops. I think the manufacturers are needing to rethink how these bags are constructed to make this bind of a job easier.

Cropper · Jun 12, 2019

Beefsmith said:
We normally buy and pay this time of the year but have decided to leave it and we will pay as we need it and cut the amount we need via alternative crops that do not need as much. The prices are silly.

Well said! The more people who vote with their feet (or cheque book) the sooner they will stop playing this ridiculous game.

bankrupt · Jun 13, 2019

Brisel said:
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the historic use of AN (an alternative use for ANFO explosives produced for the WW2 effort)

That may well be so, Brisel, but I seem to recall that BASF had a pretty good AN explosion as early as 1921.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppau_explosion

Badshot · Jun 13, 2019

bankrupt said:
That may well be so, Brisel, but I seem to recall that BASF had a pretty good AN explosion as early as 1921.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppau_explosion

So they let us have this explosive and Chuck it about willy nilly, but a few slug pellets or similar are banned!
The lunatics are running the asylum.
Next they'll be banning urea because ammonium nitrate is safer

Shutesy · Jun 13, 2019

radar said:
While we are talking fertiliser - yes I've bought 50% of requirement -delivery next week - I've just found out that my recycling centre wants the liners removed. Spent the day unbundling and rebundling. Yara bags very difficult as the liner is stitched into the lifting hoops. I think the manufacturers are needing to rethink how these bags are constructed to make this bind of a job easier.

Bugger that, i switched to 3/4 liquid because I hate rolling the bloody things up for recycling let alone cutting all the inners out as well!!

teslacoils · Jun 13, 2019

Lithsn liners often used to "self remove". Grrr

Brisel · Jun 13, 2019

Badshot said:
So they let us have this explosive and Chuck it about willy nilly, but a few slug pellets or similar are banned!
The lunatics are running the asylum.
Next they'll be banning urea because ammonium nitrate is safer

AN produces less ammonia emissions. Commercially available AN has an additive that makes it far less likely to explode. That's why you should have a detonation certificate with each batch thought no one seems to bother these days.

radar · Jun 13, 2019

teslacoils said:
Lithsn liners often used to "self remove". Grrr

CF do too but no way these Yara Sulfan ones would, though whether its of French manufacture has anything to do with it.

Will Blackburn · Jun 13, 2019

teslacoils said:
Lithsn liners often used to "self remove". Grrr

They still do

Chae1 · Jun 13, 2019

Litfert.

ollie989898 · Jun 14, 2019

The amount of energy used globally to produce fertiliser is literally pish all, I think 2% or less. Not even worth talking about.

bankrupt · Jun 14, 2019

ollie989898 said:
literally pish all, I think 2% or less. Not even worth talking about.

Bit like UK carbon emission.

ollie989898 · Jun 14, 2019

bankrupt said:
Bit like UK carbon emission.

I did think that when the PM announced we would be carbon free by 2050... meanwhile Germany are building coal power stations.

bankrupt · Jun 14, 2019

ollie989898 said:
Germany are building coal power stations.

Not to mention China.

"According to the latest report, the 1300GW coal power capacity cap for 2030 proposed by the China Electricity Council would permit the expansion of the country’s coal plant fleet by an additional 290GW.

Boom and Bust 2019 is based on the latest figures from the January 2019 update and shows that 70GW are in pre-construction, 129GW in under construction, 33GW in suspended construction. Added to it are 59GW of pre-construction status which got suspended by name - 92GW total suspended capacity minus an added 33GW of suspended construction."

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/is-china-returning-to-coal-power/

Oscar · Jun 14, 2019

There was something on radio yesterday about the fact by 2030 on current trends, we will have something like 3x Africa,2x China and 2x Asia worth of Co2 in the world (as they become more consumer driven) than now. The expert said that the UK (even if they achieved it) is nothing in the scheme of things.

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