What’s your reason for wanting brexit to happen?

Grass And Grain said:

The voters have had long enough to see and make up their minds as to wheather they like what the EU do, and if they like being part of the EU. Seemingly not enough voters do like it.

I think that everyone who voted (in or out), voted for their own credible reasons and reasoning, and no-one was wrong.

Someone who voted remain was quite correct to do so if they thought the UK economy might be more stable, or because they liked free movement of people, or they thought the EU is good for peace, etc. etc. Likewise, someone who voted leave was also quite correct to do do if they didn't like free movement of people, or paying the EU subs, or wanted to leave the customs union and get UK negotiated trade deals, etc. etc.

I forget the exact figure, is it something like trade with the EU only accounts for about 5% of UK GDP and shrinking??

Most trade is within the UK. I get my books done by my accountant, I sell milling wheat to the UK mill, they sell the bread to Tesco, my accountant buys the bread from Tesco, Tesco have their accounts audited by a UK accountant, etc, etc. The money and business goes round in circles within the UK.

45% of our exports going to the EU and then leaving the single market sounds a rather drastic step, until you realise that it is such a small proportion of our GDP.

So is leaving the single market and customs union REALLY all so important to the prosperity of the UK? Probably not at all critical.

I'd purchased Lithan fertiliser for years, but after the pound devalued I've bought UK manufactured N ever since, putting cash into the UK economy.

So, a good job for the UK? Well i don't think it will be particularly bad. Just maybe different to what we have been used to.

No mayter what the EU might currently be saying, I think that if we were decisive and put them on no-deal for a bit, then they'd soon want to do a deal.

Leave the single market, leave customs union, say we will uphold the Good Friday agreement and the UK won't enforce a hard border in Ireland. If the EU want to enforce a hard border in Ireland then that would be up to them. EU would be frightened to death that the UK would remove tarriffs and quotas from China, South America etc, and that goods would pass through the UK then across the open Irish border, UK then becoming a VERY PROFITABLE trading gateway into the EU. EU say they don't want a hard border in Ireland. The EU would be begging us for a trade deal in my opinion. We just need a good decisive Prime Minister and parliament with a backbone.

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mar said:

The EU will impose a border for the reasons you mention above, the UK will also have to impose a border on their side for the exact same reasons

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Grass And Grain said:

I guess you might be correct.

I suppose it could be a border where anyone importing/exporting across the border isn't actually checked at a hard border, but rather declares and reports what they are carrying via some sort of electronic submission.

Anyone caught doing anything illegal liable to BIG fines and/or prison as a deterrent.

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mar said:

If there is no hard border there is nothing to stop me from driving across the border, buying what I want and driving back across the border again, repeat that for thousands of individuals and suddenly you have a massive problem. Businesses on both sides of the border will not be happy.

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Grass And Grain said:

The voters have had long enough to see and make up their minds as to wheather they like what the EU do, and if they like being part of the EU. Seemingly not enough voters do like it.

I think that everyone who voted (in or out), voted for their own credible reasons and reasoning, and no-one was wrong.

Someone who voted remain was quite correct to do so if they thought the UK economy might be more stable, or because they liked free movement of people, or they thought the EU is good for peace, etc. etc. Likewise, someone who voted leave was also quite correct to do do if they didn't like free movement of people, or paying the EU subs, or wanted to leave the customs union and get UK negotiated trade deals, etc. etc.

I forget the exact figure, is it something like trade with the EU only accounts for about 5% of UK GDP and shrinking??

Most trade is within the UK. I get my books done by my accountant, I sell milling wheat to the UK mill, they sell the bread to Tesco, my accountant buys the bread from Tesco, Tesco have their accounts audited by a UK accountant, etc, etc. The money and business goes round in circles within the UK.

45% of our exports going to the EU and then leaving the single market sounds a rather drastic step, until you realise that it is such a small proportion of our GDP.

So is leaving the single market and customs union REALLY all so important to the prosperity of the UK? Probably not at all critical.

I'd purchased Lithan fertiliser for years, but after the pound devalued I've bought UK manufactured N ever since, putting cash into the UK economy.

So, a good job for the UK? Well i don't think it will be particularly bad. Just maybe different to what we have been used to.

No mayter what the EU might currently be saying, I think that if we were decisive and put them on no-deal for a bit, then they'd soon want to do a deal.

Leave the single market, leave customs union, say we will uphold the Good Friday agreement and the UK won't enforce a hard border in Ireland. If the EU want to enforce a hard border in Ireland then that would be up to them. EU would be frightened to death that the UK would remove tarriffs and quotas from China, South America etc, and that goods would pass through the UK then across the open Irish border, UK then becoming a VERY PROFITABLE trading gateway into the EU. EU say they don't want a hard border in Ireland. The EU would be begging us for a trade deal in my opinion. We just need a good decisive Prime Minister and parliament with a backbone.

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mar said:

If there is no hard border there is nothing to stop me from driving across the border, buying what I want and driving back across the border again, repeat that for thousands of individuals and suddenly you have a massive problem. Businesses on both sides of the border will not be happy.

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Grass And Grain said:

Maybe that would mean that the EU would have to offer the UK a free trade deal (wheather they are currently saying this or not) - in order to prevent a hard border in Ireland.

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Muck Spreader said:

Nobodies stopping them having a free trade deal, but that doesn't solve the border problem without a customs union or components of, depending what the FTD consisted of, if you get me.

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bluegreen said:

The last time the elites built a tower so they could reach upto God and displace him it ended in abject failure and their destruction! That building was called the Tower of Babel which is what the Euro headquarters in Brussels was designed to emulate in retro fashion. The grand design of the EU to create a superstate and eventually a one world Government and once again challenge the Gods has spectacularly failed, there is only one destination for the EU now and it is Oblivion!! The UK needs to shake itself, reject Brussels and its wretched treaty and align ourselves PDQ with Trumps USA. Then when the Euro has finished its disintegration we can negotiate new deals with those European countries who have taken back their own sovereignty.

And in case your wondering how Donald and Elizabeth got along this past week the answer is extremely well, all that had been required was the flushing out of the old Obama holdouts on both sides of the pond...………...the way is now clear for justice to be brought against those same people who are responsible for the bogus Russian collusion nonsense...……….Treason charges must surely await some previously big hitters.

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mar said:

If there is no hard border there is nothing to stop me from driving across the border, buying what I want and driving back across the border again, repeat that for thousands of individuals and suddenly you have a massive problem. Businesses on both sides of the border will not be happy.

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Muck Spreader said:

Nobodies stopping them having a free trade deal, but that doesn't solve the border problem without a customs union or components of, depending what the FTD consisted of, if you get me.

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Muck Spreader said:

Nobodies stopping them having a free trade deal, but that doesn't solve the border problem without a customs union or components of, depending what the FTD consisted of, if you get me.

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rob1 said:

Number plate recognition will pick up those who do that and what would you keep buying that would cause an issue? tariffs apart from food are pretty irelevant and excise duties on booze are different between countries now, I think many are looking for problems that can and wil be sorted

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mar said:

How would number plate recognition pick it up?

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