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- Shropshire
Still happy to take livestock farmers membership money though
The War on Meat has begun
- Thread starter Eildon Hill
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kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
Last time I clicked on their home page there was a piece about lobbying government to include mandatory meat free days at schools.
- Location
- Shropshire
Exactly. There is all sorts of underhand crap going on there. Farmers need to cancel their soil association memberships.
People moan about the NFU, but the soil association are sat at the very highest table (many defra meetings take place in the soil association building!). It is the soil association that needs cancelling, not the NFU
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- Black Isle
Why does it feel like it’s only us as individual farmers that are either bothered or doing any kind of counter fight back? (Not just in this instance) What do the likes of ABP do as this must affect them as much as us, also assuming there’s a butchers association of some kind. Iv never understood how the likes of quorn can have a bigger advertising budget than the whole meat industry.
Was delivering our wool yesterday and the thought struck me. 100 years ago wool would have been worth decent money and probably would have been a large part of the farms output. It’s now basically worthless because of big companies synthetically manufacturing an alternative...... now the wool is the most sustainable environmentally friendly product but it’s not really helped it’s value. Textile mills have gone overseas in the same way as food production is going. I don’t know if there is a solution for us...... but someone try and cheer me up!
Was delivering our wool yesterday and the thought struck me. 100 years ago wool would have been worth decent money and probably would have been a large part of the farms output. It’s now basically worthless because of big companies synthetically manufacturing an alternative...... now the wool is the most sustainable environmentally friendly product but it’s not really helped it’s value. Textile mills have gone overseas in the same way as food production is going. I don’t know if there is a solution for us...... but someone try and cheer me up!
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
We're f**ked mate! Really, when our MP's, OUR MP's, nothing to do with the EU, are concerned this very day with top priorities like banning hands free car phones, there is no hope. Why not ban noisy children and talking to passengers in cars first? They have semolina for brains.
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- East Sussex
I presume there’s a counter coming from our representative organisations. If anyone comes across any it would be interesting to see them posted in this thread for a critique by members 
Woolless
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- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
We have to keep telling whoever will listen that British beef and lamb fed on a predominantly grass-based diet is high-quality protein with the highest of environmental and welfare credentials.
I get most of my news from the BBC and by and large like their coverage but the way they have portrayed this report has been nothing short of a disgrace. 'Well played' to the contributors on Saturday afternoon's 'Any Answers?' on R4 who led the fightback. The vegan lad had no answer to the logic of utilising carbon-storing grassland to produce meat.
I get most of my news from the BBC and by and large like their coverage but the way they have portrayed this report has been nothing short of a disgrace. 'Well played' to the contributors on Saturday afternoon's 'Any Answers?' on R4 who led the fightback. The vegan lad had no answer to the logic of utilising carbon-storing grassland to produce meat.
I presume there’s a counter coming from our representative organisations. If anyone comes across any it would be interesting to see them posted in this thread for a critique by members
There is a solution, and it starts with recognizing the problem.
Globalization, and the control of the food chain by global corporations.
Market share is the root of all evil.
The solution is localization. To implement this, it needs to be recognized that the environmental movement is UK ag's greatest ally.
By focussing on this, you will take the intelligent majority within the environmental movement with you, and in doing so outflank the idiots and leave them out on a limb.
Simples. Cheer up
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- South Wales UK
If that uni wants to reduce or eliminate their Carbon footprint just ban Foreign students and their air miles getting there???
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- Ceredigion
I'm quite happy to covert my farm.to growing crops if it's worth while
Always fancied being a Barley Baron
Always fancied being a Barley Baron
Suffolk Serf
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- Bury/Thetford
That's my retirement plan.
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- Scottish Highlands
I doubt it personally and agree with Sir David Attenborough. Though possibly climate change and disease will thin them out. I don't intend to stick around to find out!
While Mrs Umbawunga in darkest Africa has no insurance or old age pension, she will continue to rely on having 15 children on the off chance that one of them will keep her in her old age! The other 14, if they survive, will go off to continue to breed.
Homesy
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...s-closing-across-uk-not-enough-people-follow/
Veganism is just virtue signalling. It's the opposite of being in fight club.
The first rule of being a vegan is tell everyone,
The second rule is tell everyone.....
Veganism is just virtue signalling. It's the opposite of being in fight club.
The first rule of being a vegan is tell everyone,
The second rule is tell everyone.....
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
There is a solution, and it starts with recognizing the problem.
Globalization, and the control of the food chain by global corporations.
Market share is the root of all evil.
The solution is localization. To implement this, it needs to be recognized that the environmental movement is UK ag's greatest ally.
By focussing on this, you will take the intelligent majority within the environmental movement with you, and in doing so outflank the idiots and leave them out on a limb.
Simples. Cheer up
Globalisation has nothing to do with this issue. The problem is populist pressure groups using social media effectively to brainwash people of all ages, but especially young ones, with their particular version of bulls!t. They have leant and developed from the way religion is taught adapted it to their causes and modern ways of touching the mass of the population. It works. It worked with Brexit, courtesy of Facebook and Cambridge Analitica, and it is working for 'animal rights' and vegan activists.
There is very little you can do about it. The people you want to reach to counter this, they do not want to listen and do not want to know.
Rightly or wrongly and very much linked to this issue is the global climate change activism. They have even succeeded here in getting schools to officially indoctrinate and put the fear of bejesus into primary school children. It isn't right and is a form of child abuse.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
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- Northumberland
I’ve been organic for nearly 20 years (probably coming out soon but that’s a different matter). I’ve had a read at some of thestuff the Soil Assn is putting out and I kind of agree with it. Yes they are saying people should be eating less BUT BETTER meat (as always, it’s probably folks that don’t eat very much meat anyway that hears that message, while people that load their diets with Greggs pasties and donuts, McDonald’s, takeaways etc continue, have a coronary and it was the ‘meat’ in their diet that was to blame).
They also say things like:
The amount of high welfare organic and pasture-fed meat produced in the UK will actually need to increase to ensure we can all eat ‘better’ meat.
Have a read: you might be surprised by how pro red-meat they are even if you don’t agree with their organic slant on everything.
).They also say things like:
The amount of high welfare organic and pasture-fed meat produced in the UK will actually need to increase to ensure we can all eat ‘better’ meat.
Have a read: you might be surprised by how pro red-meat they are even if you don’t agree with their organic slant on everything.
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- South Wales UK
War pestilence and Famine will soon change their minds?
War time rationing folk will tell you???
War time rationing folk will tell you???
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
I’ve been organic for nearly 20 years (probably coming out soon but that’s a different matter). I’ve had a read at some of thestuff the Soil Assn is putting out and I kind of agree with it. Yes they are saying people should be eating less BUT BETTER meat (as always, it’s probably folks that don’t eat very much meat anyway that hears that message, while people that load their diets with Greggs pasties and donuts, McDonald’s, takeaways etc continue, have a coronary and it was the ‘meat’ in their diet that was to blame
They also say things like:
The amount of high welfare organic and pasture-fed meat produced in the UK will actually need to increase to ensure we can all eat ‘better’ meat.
Have a read: you might be surprised by how pro red-meat they are even if you don’t agree with their organic slant on everything.
Another load of twaddle from the SA. It is not the type of meat that is an issue. In fact there is no issue. Meat is meat and for every beast that is utilised, there are prime cuts and off-cuts for catering or processing, whether at home or factory, and there is offal. They are only trying, like extinction rebellion and animal rights and vegan groups, to push their own narrow agenda through demonising the vast majority of scientifically based 'conventional' agriculture as currently practiced.
Northeastfarmer
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- Cleveland
And who’s going to buy it...
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