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Devon
The reason things are getting so heated is because remainers refuse to accept democracy!

If the lastest plot by them to seize power from a democratically elected government and replace it with a government of unelected remainers happens then things will get a lot more heated and not just on forums but on the streets, remainers are going too far now!

Also the way remainers are now trying to grab power by changing the law/ pushing out a democratically elected government etc is very similar to how Hitler gained power in Germany in the 1930's and we all know how that ended up!

Not just about democracy now but abut freedoms because if remainers get their way and install someone like Ken Clarke as PM then leavers will soon be shut down that you can have no doubt about!
 
3 years wasted.

Could have had a trade deal.

Could have had internal investment.

Could have had a food policy which ensures UK farmers grow most of the UK's food.

Could have had an industrial boost to ensure UK industry supplies UK energy

Could have had a trade deal with America to supply cars & vehicles .. yes even German cars via the USA.

Could have had infrastructure investment to cope with increased business


Instead we've had frozen investment thanks to incompetance in Westminster .. which is why Brexit was voted for in the first place.

Brexit is about the failure of UK politicians to look after the UK populace .. no way in hell I'm giving up forcing through change.
 

Katarina

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Location
Mid Wales
It goes without saying here's a high level of emotional stress and worry in farming, for the most part based around the uncertainty of finances. Not knowing the value your stock holds from week to week or, in the current climate, when next you'll be forced to defend yourself or the profession against moral or environmental blame.

This is before brexit is added into the equation.

Farming, as we all know, a way of life, with UPS and downs. A rollercoaster ride of emotions bringing us to the depths at times but very rewarding at others and we are fortunate to work closely with nature amongst some of the most beautiful scenery in the world.
It's so very hard at the moment but we all need to try to focus daily on the positive things that we do on our farms and take pride in who we are and what we achieve against the odds.

But it has to be said that unfortunately we farmers never seem able to speak with one voice, aways having strong opinions with very differing views.
Hopefully when this mess is finally sorted we can start to move on but as is written on theWelsh football team shirt " together stronger ".

They say that a problem shared is a problem halved. It's always good for us to talk and moan and share our troubles but laughter is the best medicine, and you've got to have a sense of humour to even consider a career in farming.
 

jellybean

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Location
N.Devon
Its not really about Brexit any more, its more about democracy, and whether voting means anything any more. Thats why its so heated - the side that lost won't accept it.

I agree with this, Brexit is now just a side show. the real issue facing us is how do we replace our complete governing system with something that works. I am not even sure that democracy has ever existed; we have a pretence of democracy but the important decisions are probably made somewhere else.

I haven't looked up the dictionary definition of government but it seems to me to consist of 2 elements; the day to day running of infrastructure required for the smooth running of a country and the control of the population. If the population took responsibility for their own actions all we would need is the running of the infrastructure. OK I know this is a gross simplification of the situation but until we personally accept a lot more of the responsibility than we currently do surely we just go on repeating the same mistakes.
 

Mek

Member
I, as a remainer ,think a lot of the leave voters voted without realising the seriousness or the implications of the vote. They were largely fed false information ,like this “was going to be the easiest deal in history because we hold all the cards” “ we’ll have an extra 350 million a week that we could give the NHS “ etc.etc. Now the whole subject has been seriously debated for the last 3 years no one will have been able to avoid a Brexit debate or two. There should be a second referendum in the interest of democracy rather than despite democracy. Then whatever result is achieved no one would be able to seriously challenge it.
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
I, as a remainer ,think a lot of the leave voters voted without realising the seriousness or the implications of the vote. They were largely fed false information ,like this “was going to be the easiest deal in history because we hold all the cards” “ we’ll have an extra 350 million a week that we could give the NHS “ etc.etc. Now the whole subject has been seriously debated for the last 3 years no one will have been able to avoid a Brexit debate or two. There should be a second referendum in the interest of democracy rather than despite democracy. Then whatever result is achieved no one would be able to seriously challenge it.


Your kind of on the right lines but you need to go back a bit.

There was a referendum over forty years ago, in which the electorate was sold a lie that we would live the dream, if we remained in a trading block that we had joined without any mandate from the populace.

We had a referendum three plus years ago that resulted in the opinion that we should wake up and leave behind, what has subsequently turned into a nightmare.
 

Mek

Member
But it wasn’t a legally binding referendum and I believe that a lot of people voted without bothering to think it through. If it did not have huge problems it would all have been done and dusted by now. To say a second referendum is undemocratic just doesn’t hold water,it is even more democratic. If people think they are now going to be “living the dream” they are going to be in for a very rude awakening.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
But it wasn’t a legally binding referendum and I believe that a lot of people voted without bothering to think it through. If it did not have huge problems it would all have been done and dusted by now. To say a second referendum is undemocratic just doesn’t hold water,it is even more democratic. If people think they are now going to be “living the dream” they are going to be in for a very rude awakening.

You entirely ignore the facts that it isn't done and dusted because we have had a remainer PM, a remainer Chancellor and a remainer 'Chief Negotiator'* along with a mainly remainer Parliament all doing their best to make it not work for three years.

By your reasoning it would be 'even more democratic' to have a General Election every three months, wouldn't it?


*The utterly discredited 'independent and impartial' Civil Servant Olly Robbins, who has spent the last three decades openly advocating a federal EU... :banghead:
 

Mek

Member
By your reasoning it would be 'even more democratic' to have a General Election every three months, wouldn't it?


:banghead:
Three months is obviously too short a time ,but if a government demonstrates it is unable to govern then yes, a general election should be called.
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
You entirely ignore the facts that it isn't done and dusted because we have had a remainer PM, a remainer Chancellor and a remainer 'Chief Negotiator'* along with a mainly remainer Parliament all doing their best to make it not work for three years.

By your reasoning it would be 'even more democratic' to have a General Election every three months, wouldn't it?


*The utterly discredited 'independent and impartial' Civil Servant Olly Robbins, who has spent the last three decades openly advocating a federal EU... :banghead:
Oh my memory must be playing havoc.
I thought it was David Davis, a lifelong Brexiteer , who was initially put in charge of “ the easiest negotiation in History”.
This pledge by Liam Fox must surely have persuaded many to vote for Brexit, and it can now be seen as big a whopper as, £350 million a week for the NHS.
We are plunging into an economic crisis which is going to ruin many peoples lives, and the only winners will, be Bankers and ultimately Jeremy Corbyn and his cronies.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
But it wasn’t a legally binding referendum and I believe that a lot of people voted without bothering to think it through. If it did not have huge problems it would all have been done and dusted by now. To say a second referendum is undemocratic just doesn’t hold water,it is even more democratic. If people think they are now going to be “living the dream” they are going to be in for a very rude awakening.
And nor will the next referendum be legally binding unless the law is changed in the meantime and such a move would really up the ante. When a democratically elected parliament invoked article 50 the stage was set to carry it through until the remainers started throwing all sorts of spanner’s in the works ably assisted by traitors within the ruling party.
 
If it's no deal it won't be a disaster, there no be cows or sheep slaughtered, prices might fall a bit, on more wider work and economy people who work in blue collar jobs building sites and restaurants may suffer with low wages and reduce work to go around,
 
Oh my memory must be playing havoc.
I thought it was David Davis, a lifelong Brexiteer , who was initially put in charge of “ the easiest negotiation in History”.
This pledge by Liam Fox must surely have persuaded many to vote for Brexit, and it can now be seen as big a whopper as, £350 million a week for the NHS.
We are plunging into an economic crisis which is going to ruin many peoples lives, and the only winners will, be Bankers and ultimately Jeremy Corbyn and his cronies.


Oh FFS .. how can you keep repeating this BS ?

As I've reiterated more times than I care to count .. Remainer Theresa May bypassed David Davis producing her horrific Political Deal.

David Davis did publish his deal .. as you well know.

Those most affected by "No Horrific Theresa May Botch Up Deal" .. are environmentalists funded by LIFE funding. IMHO good riddance to lunatics working against the rest of the population.

The winners will be ordinary tax payers rather than EU stooges enacted the ministrations of foreign powers against them.
 

MiJ

Member
Location
w.mids
But it wasn’t a legally binding referendum and I believe that a lot of people voted without bothering to think it through. If it did not have huge problems it would all have been done and dusted by now. To say a second referendum is undemocratic just doesn’t hold water,it is even more democratic. If people think they are now going to be “living the dream” they are going to be in for a very rude awakening.

How dare you be so patronising :mad:
 

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