So much for market forces......

In what way? It really shouldn't be as bad as for the sheep market but export tariffs will hit dairy exports badly.
A free trade deal with the EU will leave us as we are. A free trade deal with America will mean tariffs into the EU and American tariff free imports to the UK. Not much probability of any meaningful dairy or food exports the other way, from the UK to America.
The reason that so many beef and sheep farmers in this area seem to be going into dairy for the first time is presumably because they realise the pickle they are in and think that dairy is a road to prosperity. I hope they don't burn their fingers too badly.
If there’s a price collapse it will be for everyone not on a supermarket contract, plenty allready in the job with massive borrowing who could get their fingers burnt too.
Only time will tell.
 
Yes, mostly in Ceredigion. It really is baffling why in this area. There's a North Wales based business who is putting two massive units in locally, one very near me. 400+ milking cows and paying £200/acre rent for 15 years, permeably with rent reviews at least twice, and putting a whole new Greenfield unit up. Dozens of water troughs have already gone in the fields. The owner of the land relies almost completely on area subsidies for a living currently and probably sees that revenue stream drying up.
Quite how the sums add up with 100% employed labour, huge start-up capital and a system that will not be owned at the end of term is anyone's guess.
The other similar system is going in near Tregaron apparently
how are they managing to afford £200/acre rent? must be on a supermarket contract at 32ppl or something?
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
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how has SFP fallen? its paid on a per acre basis?
It changes every 5 years in Wales. First the historic system, then changing to come in line with the English scheme, now it looks like nothing at all, unless you provide environmental solutions. :scratchhead:
What a way to run a business....
Between the crackers Welsh SFP schemes, and 1970's prices, I have to wonder why anyone invests any money in farming ATM.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
It changes every 5 years in Wales. First the historic system, then changing to come in line with the English scheme, now it looks like nothing at all, unless you provide environmental solutions. :scratchhead:
What a way to run a business....
Between the crackers Welsh SFP schemes, and 1970's prices, I have to wonder why anyone invests any money in farming ATM.
Best not then
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
how has SFP fallen? its paid on a per acre basis?
All the big producers those who took risks bought land kept a lot of stock had a good historic payment I'm not getting into the rights or wrongs about it .farmers dint decide policy they just make the best out of it . But now the historic has more or less ended . It will be on a flatt rate from now on
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
how are they managing to afford £200/acre rent? must be on a supermarket contract at 32ppl or something?
I doubt whether they even have a contract yet. It will be yet another Spring calving herd and who wants more milk in April, May and June? Not many processors I'll wager. It will be interesting to see how soon the unit goes up, if it does. Apparently they have a building company that can throw up a complete new unit in a couple or three months, in which case they had better get their skates on to produce milk by Feb/March next year.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
It changes every 5 years in Wales. First the historic system, then changing to come in line with the English scheme, now it looks like nothing at all, unless you provide environmental solutions. :scratchhead:
What a way to run a business....
Between the crackers Welsh SFP schemes, and 1970's prices, I have to wonder why anyone invests any money in farming ATM.
These are decisions Wales made remember. Not the EU and not England. These are Welsh Assembly decisions.
I too wonder why anyone would invest a single penny in the farming job just now.
 
the problem is that take away or even cut subs and straightaway what is the option for beef/sheep farmers?/ even cereals,....sell up OR go into dairy if you can get funding or a niche sector, the issue with this is there will soon be too much milk and farm diversification enterprises will become too competitive/ overcrowded
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
Dad made his future when farmers were saying that .if I was young again I would be thriving on every word you say
For God's sake, wait until October to March next year before committing to large expenditure. Its not as if there were any bargains out there currently.
Well keep up the good work .if a few more farmers believe what you say there soon will be


I knew it.
You two working together.
One talking the job right down.
The other circling like a vulture.
The ultimate in share farming.
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the problem is that take away or even cut subs and straightaway what is the option for beef/sheep farmers?/ even cereals,....sell up OR go into dairy if you can get funding or a niche sector, the issue with this is there will soon be too much milk and farm diversification enterprises will become too competitive/ overcrowded

All wrong mate. The crux of the matter is this: some folk are good at what they do. Others less so.

There are people out there farming in one or more of the above sectors who do not claim significant subsidy monies from it OR who always do something else with the money than use it to support their existing business. Don't you see, to these people the payment per head/acre/kilo or tonne is all meaningless.

The question you need to ask is how do people doing the above, do it?
 
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All wrong mate. The crux of the matter is this: some folk are good what they do. Others less so.

There are people out there farming in one or more of the above sectors who do not claim significant subsidy monies from it OR who always do something else with the money than use it to support their existing business. Don't you see, to these people the payment per head/acre/kilo or tonne is all meaningless.

The question you need to ask is how do people doing the above, do it?
no rent or mortgages to pay/guys on excellent ground, this doesnt account for a huge amount of farmers the ones making money when sfp is removed from the bottom line arent making enough for their time/investment that i can assure you especially when compared to other sectors
 

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