So much for market forces......

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
What also never fails to amaze me is I sometimes go to "less favoured areas" or hill farms as I call them, and see a brand new Fendt loader tractor in the yard. Well that's the sort of kit we could only dream of here. I sometimes wonder if some farmers really know what tightening your belt really means.
We lost our quad bike to thieves a few years ago and its pointless replacing it as it would just get nicked again as there is no real law and order here that means anything other than providing a good living and pensions for our "overworked" police force.
We round our sheep up with a 20 year old Renault Clio that is also my brother's main mode of transport. I am not complaining. The margins are tight. We don't expect a foreign holiday, a Range Rover or a new car every few years. We appreciate the lifestyle as it is and its our choice to live this way. We don't want or expect any extra help as its our choice. We don't expect to pay ourselves a certain wage, we just get whatever is left as profit and are grateful for it. That's how it is. Its either that or get a job in town like every other fekker in the area has to.
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
What also never fails to amaze me is I sometimes go to "less favoured areas" or hill farms as I call them, and see a brand new Fendt loader tractor in the yard. Well that's the sort of kit we could only dream of here. I sometimes wonder if some farmers really know what tightening your belt really means.
We lost our quad bike to thieves a few years ago and its pointless replacing it as it would just get nicked again as there is no real law and order here that means anything other than providing a good living and pensions for our "overworked" police force.
We round our sheep up with a 20 year old Renault Clio that is also my brother's main mode of transport. I am not complaining. The margins are tight. We don't expect a foreign holiday, a Range Rover or a new car every few years. We appreciate the lifestyle as it is and its our choice to live this way. We don't want or expect any extra help as its our choice. We don't expect to pay ourselves a certain wage, we just get whatever is left as profit and are grateful for it. That's how it is. Its either that or get a job in town like every other fekker in the area has to.

Christ if you ever need to get sheep in I'm only at Caistor!
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
What also never fails to amaze me is I sometimes go to "less favoured areas" or hill farms as I call them, and see a brand new Fendt loader tractor in the yard. Well that's the sort of kit we could only dream of here. I sometimes wonder if some farmers really know what tightening your belt really means.
We lost our quad bike to thieves a few years ago and its pointless replacing it as it would just get nicked again as there is no real law and order here that means anything other than providing a good living and pensions for our "overworked" police force.
We round our sheep up with a 20 year old Renault Clio that is also my brother's main mode of transport. I am not complaining. The margins are tight. We don't expect a foreign holiday, a Range Rover or a new car every few years. We appreciate the lifestyle as it is and its our choice to live this way. We don't want or expect any extra help as its our choice. We don't expect to pay ourselves a certain wage, we just get whatever is left as profit and are grateful for it. That's how it is. Its either that or get a job in town like every other fekker in the area has to.
Thats pretty much like us .
 

Scribus

Member
Location
Central Atlantic
I will try to find you the report. It was by an organisation that had assessed the impact of Brexit on the oil industry and the key takeaways were basically 'not much' except on a small quantity of refined transport fuel the UK exports for what reason I know not.

Mind you I would not put it past the oil industry to cry wolf hoping the UK gov would loosen their tax thumbscrews a whiff... the industry is a major tax stream I understand.

In a nutshell.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
What also never fails to amaze me is I sometimes go to "less favoured areas" or hill farms as I call them, and see a brand new Fendt loader tractor in the yard. Well that's the sort of kit we could only dream of here. I sometimes wonder if some farmers really know what tightening your belt really means.

Had a day in the upland areas of the Staffs Moorlands and Derbyshire Peak District today on the bikes with my Lad, and I did chuckle to myself on at least 2 occasions* at the classic stereotypical Fendt with twin beacons, twin aerials and sunglassed young drivers, belting through a small village with a tractor wider than the carriageway... Then turns into a scrappy farmyard (like mine!)

* and also a couple of Blue buggers, similarly equipped, non with kit mounted...
 

Crex

Member
Location
Innse Gall, Alba
What also never fails to amaze me is I sometimes go to "less favoured areas" or hill farms as I call them, and see a brand new Fendt loader tractor in the yard. Well that's the sort of kit we could only dream of here. I sometimes wonder if some farmers really know what tightening your belt really means.
We lost our quad bike to thieves a few years ago and its pointless replacing it as it would just get nicked again as there is no real law and order here that means anything other than providing a good living and pensions for our "overworked" police force.
We round our sheep up with a 20 year old Renault Clio that is also my brother's main mode of transport. I am not complaining. The margins are tight. We don't expect a foreign holiday, a Range Rover or a new car every few years. We appreciate the lifestyle as it is and its our choice to live this way. We don't want or expect any extra help as its our choice. We don't expect to pay ourselves a certain wage, we just get whatever is left as profit and are grateful for it. That's how it is. Its either that or get a job in town like every other fekker in the area has to.
Clive has often said his Fendt has been one of his cheapest tractors to own. Perhaps the hill farmers have a similar calculator?
 
Clive has often said his Fendt has been one of his cheapest tractors to own. Perhaps the hill farmers have a similar calculator?

I have never had a problem with whatever folk choose to buy, rent run or whatever and have said it all along. You all work so hard in my book that if you want a Fendt, JCB, Dyson hoover or (God forbid) a Land Rover Defender you get on and have it and worry about paying for it second. I know Clive runs a bit of new-fangled kit but he is hardly alone in that respect and you never hear Clive moaning how unfair life is- and he rents a lot of his ground. The only genuine farming complaint I think Clive has historically made (going by my pretty ropey memory mind you) was a complaint that some staff were nearly impossible to motivate because they'd worked enough hours that month to cover the mortgage so they thought "fudge it", and a general complaint about a lack of potential new recruits more recently.

He is not a sole example in this respect either. There are a good number of folk who make specific negative/complainy comments that are normally of three general kinds only: 'well fudge me this daft fudging thing happened today and it pished me off' or: 'can you believe the stupidest fudging thing I did today?' and then very occasionally: 'that fudging farm assurance inspector (or similar) came today and told me X and you fudging believe it?'.

Certain characters, however, go on and on and on a bit like a toothache and you start to wonder if they have ever had any good luck since they first their lost their lunch money aged 7 in 1971 and kicked a football through Granddad's greenhouse right before a visit to the dentist.
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
I have never had a problem with whatever folk choose to buy, rent run or whatever and have said it all along. You all work so hard in my book that if you want a Fendt, JCB, Dyson hoover or (God forbid) a Land Rover Defender you get on and have it and worry about paying for it second. I know Clive runs a bit of new-fangled kit but he is hardly alone in that respect and you never hear Clive moaning how unfair life is- and he rents a lot of his ground. The only genuine farming complaint I think Clive has historically made (going by my pretty ropey memory mind you) was a complaint that some staff were nearly impossible to motivate because they'd worked enough hours that month to cover the mortgage so they thought "fudge it", and a general complaint about a lack of potential new recruits more recently.

He is not a sole example in this respect either. There are a good number of folk who make specific negative/complainy comments that are normally of three general kinds only: 'well fudge me this daft fudging thing happened today and it pished me off' or: 'can you believe the stupidest fudging thing I did today?' and then very occasionally: 'that fudging farm assurance inspector (or similar) came today and told me X and you fudging believe it?'.

Certain characters, however, go on and on and on a bit like a toothache and you start to wonder if they have ever had any good luck since they first their lost their lunch money aged 7 in 1971 and kicked a football through Granddad's greenhouse right before a visit to the dentist.


Your talent is wasted on here.
You should be writing adventure stories for young lads.
??
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
Why are so many Scots apparently so keen on Independence then?

I can't stand that witch mind, dunno how the Scots put up with her.
We aren’t all keen on independence and if we can’t separate from Europe that we have been joined to for 40 years then I think it would be well nigh impossible to separate from England that we have been joined to for hundreds of years.
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
More to do with attitude, aptitude and government policy I would have thought...although the latter is questionable at present.

We have a good grass growing climate and plenty of scale as an industry.
You must be farming in one of the more favourable areas, I don’t think you appreciate the scale on an individual basis they have which is a lot to do with on farm profitability.
 
Come off it mate. There is no automatic right to farm nor an automatic right to a 'decent living' (whatever that means). Your sense of entitlement along with that of others is off the scale. The public are probably reading this forum and all they see is a collection of landowners who think they deserve public money end of story.

Your complaints about beef or sheep are valid but you may have noticed that agriculture is highly cyclical in nature, prices fluctuate wildly as many people have learned the hard way the world over. Welcome to the jungle.
im of the opinion if the irish and rest of the world can afford to support their farmers so can we, no excuse!
 

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