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- SG9
I may just try this one lads before WW3 starts. I am sure it will be the piper that pays who will have the final say.
Planning permission for biomass boilers
- Thread starter Dman2
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akaPABLO01
Member
I reckon planning are pee'd at emissions
- Location
- South Wales UK
Is that the mcs certification domestic rhi recent applications or when rhi launched.
akaPABLO01
Member
That has always been the biomass rules. Before you install. The only time you contact planning is green belt, listed building, bigger than 45kW (emissions) and most importantly of all is the 1m flue height.
Every good installer had this implanted in the brain. All the cowboys just smiled and said “look at these returns..”
akaPABLO01
Member
Honest question for all you biomass people:
How many of you have carbon monoxide detectors if your unit is in enclosed areas and correct air ventilation sizing?
How many of you have carbon monoxide detectors if your unit is in enclosed areas and correct air ventilation sizing?
- Location
- South Wales UK
In open , lean too ,so not enslosed .
Other log burners , building control regs and fire system items fitted as in building.
- Location
- SG9
@akaPABLO01 "Carbon Monoxide" Me for one on all 3 set ups and been tested last 12 mnths.
Dman2
Member
- Location
- Durham, UK
So ours is 100kw output capacity, ??
You say bigger than 45kw emissions??
akaPABLO01
Member
Yes
45kW> heat output, councils are under pressure to cut carbon footprint, if your boiler is in an area with high output the likelihood of permission is no. Carbon capture filters are too expensive.
Rod Dumbreck
Member
Sorry to add to the torrent of questions, but how do councils work out the Carbon Footprint, (i.e. is it Particulate or CO2) and how is this measured and is there an obligation to reduce?
akaPABLO01
Member
Environmental agencies will put out test collections around the boroughs usually attached to lampposts or such.
High impact areas like airports, highways and industrial areas would have restrictions.
Just google your council and maybe “emissions strategy” or “under pressure to”. Gaze up high around your borough and you may see collection pots.
UK local authority and regional carbon dioxide emissions national statistics: 2005 to 2017
UK local authority and regional estimates of carbon dioxide emissions.
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I work as an air quality consultant and over the past two months we have seen an increase in the number of farmers coming to us requiring retrospective planning permission for their biomass boilers.
I completely sympathise with you: it is unfair that the goalposts have changed and RFI is being withheld until it is sorted. The government should be encouraging the uptake of renewable energy sources through new subsidies, not making it more difficult for those who have already invested in renewables.
The Environmental Health Officers (EHOs) we have dealt with so far are understanding and only asking for a short technical note to gain planning permission.
The technical note involves comparing the emission rates of the biomass boilers against benchmarks defined by Defra’s biomass tool:
https://laqm.defra.gov.uk/assets/biomassemissionsscreeningtoolv7.xls
Feel free to drop me a message with any further questions.
I completely sympathise with you: it is unfair that the goalposts have changed and RFI is being withheld until it is sorted. The government should be encouraging the uptake of renewable energy sources through new subsidies, not making it more difficult for those who have already invested in renewables.
The Environmental Health Officers (EHOs) we have dealt with so far are understanding and only asking for a short technical note to gain planning permission.
The technical note involves comparing the emission rates of the biomass boilers against benchmarks defined by Defra’s biomass tool:
https://laqm.defra.gov.uk/assets/biomassemissionsscreeningtoolv7.xls
Feel free to drop me a message with any further questions.
- Location
- Sedgefield
Well done for your informative reply Satty
Not affected myself (much) as my boiler is domestic, but the goalposts have been changed after the event. Not acceptable by the Govt
Not affected myself (much) as my boiler is domestic, but the goalposts have been changed after the event. Not acceptable by the Govt
akaPABLO01
Member
I think you’ll find that it’s always needed planning application from inception of accreditation. The actual registration didn’t at time but planning enquiring was. The numpties who installed, registered biomass above 45kW were inept and should be held accountable through farmers solicitors. There are grounds for a legal case against people who acccredited the systems as consultants such as NFU’s renewbles branch FEC if they consulted on the project and completed RHI secondary party application. But then again, there is a caveat within the actual application that states the owner must apply therefore understand the process. They were just conned out of cash for quick profit.
- Location
- South Wales UK
All had to independently inspected and verified for Ofgem ,so why did'nt they pick up also?
akaPABLO01
Member
They just check for construction compliance, health and safety.