NO EXTENSION

Juncker rules out extension. This deal or no deal. I'll take no deal thanks.
Me too, since it creates a line between NI and the rest of the UK. But I think that there will be a majority in Parliament for it now.

Juncker doesn't control the voting regime which decides to give an extension or not.

I think a no deal would be better but would require a much stronger tariff regime.

I personally think we will see a far different agenda by the Parliamentry Remain majority. I think they'll push for another referendum or revoke or some other plan cooked up with the EU.

Time to watch & wait IMHO.
 

FlyBy

Member
Jolly good, then educate me as to where and how these 'Irish Sea' problems will be. :coffee:

What problems? The Tories and the DUP were the ones who were insistent that there be no difference between the situation of NI and the rest of the UK. Something which is certainly not true under this agreement.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
What problems? The Tories and the DUP were the ones who were insistent that there be no difference between the situation of NI and the rest of the UK. Something which is certainly not true under this agreement.
Ah... changing the tack... The situation was, is and will be different between the situation of NI and the rest of the UK; bio' checks aside, the Belfast Agreement spelt that out a long time ago. What this deal does not do, is put any barrier between NI and the rest of the UK.
 

Aircooled

Member
Location
co Antrim
Ah... changing the tack... The situation was, is and will be different between the situation of NI and the rest of the UK; bio' checks aside, the Belfast Agreement spelt that out a long time ago. What this deal does not do, is put any barrier between NI and the rest of the UK.
Have you read the details yet? Has Boris turned his back on us in NI ?
 
Huh? It couldn’t be any more political.


Attempting to state someone said "Something" at a certain time and is now saying something different IS politics. Expecting the situation to remain the same is NOT politics.

In the case of the previous deal it was under a different Prime Minister.

Loyal party members WILL follow the lead of the leader in the party .. it's not unexpected for the position to change, indeed it would be wholely unacceptable for the position NOT to have changed in some way.

That IS politics.

Will be interesting to see the parties position change come the next general election .. still everything to play for.
 

FlyBy

Member
Attempting to state someone said "Something" at a certain time and is now saying something different IS politics. Expecting the situation to remain the same is NOT politics.

In the case of the previous deal it was under a different Prime Minister.

Loyal party members WILL follow the lead of the leader in the party .. it's not unexpected for the position to change, indeed it would be wholely unacceptable for the position NOT to have changed in some way.

That IS politics.

Will be interesting to see the parties position change come the next general election .. still everything to play for.

Nah sorry, you might be a fan of Trumpian politics, but that’s not how politics worked back when the world was still sane. A politician saying a position is completely unacceptable, and then turning round a year later and doing exactly that, is pure hypocrisy. Especially as he hasn’t owned that change in position in any way.
 
It was always coming
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Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Have you read the details yet? Has Boris turned his back on us in NI ?
Yes and... yes, in part... :( But I don't think it's as bad as Arlene seems to. Legally / constitutionally there will be no difference at all to the present situation and, practically, there will be no difference at all to the present situation.

But... there is certainly going to be a change in the theoretical situation; that can - for a bizarre wonder - be taken either way by both sides of the Brexit argument and the traditional divide in NI, it's a bit of 'Bl**dy hell well done / how the f*ck did you do that?' situation.

Flippancy aside, what I mean is that everyone can take what they will from it, either optimistically or pessimistically. The DUP are well wide of the mark in their claims that this is the thin end of a constitutional wedge that will sunder the UK, but they are right when they say that NI is being treated differently from the rest of the UK; but it has been since the Belfast Agreement was signed... :banghead:
 

Bankville

Member
Yes and... yes, in part... :( But I don't think it's as bad as Arlene seems to. Legally / constitutionally there will be no difference at all to the present situation and, practically, there will be no difference at all to the present situation.

But... there is certainly going to be a change in the theoretical situation; that can - for a bizarre wonder - be taken either way by both sides of the Brexit argument and the traditional divide in NI, it's a bit of 'Bl**dy hell well done / how the f*ck did you do that?' situation.

Flippancy aside, what I mean is that everyone can take what they will from it, either optimistically or pessimistically. The DUP are well wide of the mark in their claims that this is the thin end of a constitutional wedge that will sunder the UK, but they are right when they say that NI is being treated differently from the rest of the UK; but it has been since the Belfast Agreement was signed... :banghead:

What goods will require customs checks coming from GB to NI?

Boris's deal appears to be the NI backstop the EU first suggested 2 yrs ago
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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