John Deere To Display New Autonomous Concept at Agritechnica

Pheasant Surprise · Nov 7, 2019

....gosh this thread reminds me of some other threads. It’s like deja vu in here

I admire your patience Clive and Chris, but I sussed this months ago and caved....pressing the button that must only be used exceptional circumstances*

*to save ones sanity.

Clive · Nov 7, 2019

Scribus said:
Oh come off it, I clearly said that they have not changed technology, only used it to suit themselves. Why is it you that techno heads can't comprehend English? You are all the same, just as soon as someone dare question the great god Technology it's all about taking a meaning that any half intelligent fellow knows was not intended. You further compound your idiocy by sugesting I am unaware of the size and function of the internet when i have pointed out in the past that I used to build websites, which is precisely why I question the constant stream of techno BS we are subjected to on a dailŷ basis.

My 6 year old can build websites, my 9-year-old can code better than me ! - it really doesn't qualify you as much of an expert these days !!

Technology is changing the world, always has and always will, it's accelerating at a massive rate the likes of which we have never seen before and that is not about to stop any time soon. When you compare how we all live today vs 100years ago we have made massive steps forward in just about every area, life is better than it ever has been, we live longer, travel faster, further and after than ever before, work less and live more. No one is saying that hasn't come without consequence but the consequence has rarely ever stopped innovation in the past

Having just ordered my first fully electric car I look forward to ordering a fully autonomous one within the next decade that will be safer for my family than a flawed computer-like me ! An AV that makes 100% rational choices, never gets distracted, can see in the dark and around corners, can communicate in detail about intentions with other traffic thousands of times a second, predict hazards and avoid them, has perfect understanding of grip levels and surface changes, again thousands of times a second and can optimise energy use perfectly, arrive on time (to the second) every journey, transport me whilst asleep even or take my kids to school while I go to the office, drive me drunk back from the pub ....................

The only reason we don't have full AV now is that there are still humans driving cars - remove all human drivers from the road tomorrow and AV tech would be safer already than what we have today ................. 10 years from now it will be light years ahead even if some do still insist on driving manually

Scribus · Nov 7, 2019

Clive said:
ahhhhh, I understand now - you are one of those nut job conspiracy theorists

get one of these hats and you will be safe from "them"

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Do you actually consider yourself a mature adult in anyway?

Scribus · Nov 7, 2019

Pheasant Surprise said:
....gosh this thread reminds me of some other threads. It’s like deja vu in here

I admire your patience Clive and Chris, but I sussed this months ago and caved....pressing the button that must only be used exceptional circumstances*

*to save ones sanity.

No, you simply ran away because you are nowhere near as clever as you like to think.

Scribus · Nov 7, 2019

Clive said:
My 6 year old can build websites, my 9-year-old can code better than me ! - it really doesn't qualify you as much of an expert these days !!

Technology is changing the world, always has and always will, it's accelerating at a massive rate the likes of which we have never seen before and that is not about to stop any time soon. When you compare how we all live today vs 100years ago we have made massive steps forward in just about every area, life is better than it ever has been, we live longer, travel faster, further and after than ever before, work less and live more. No one is saying that hasn't come without consequence but the consequence has rarely ever stopped innovation in the past

Having just ordered my first fully electric car I look forward to ordering a fully autonomous one within the next decade that will be safer for my family than a flawed computer-like me ! An AV that makes 100% rational choices, never gets distracted, can see in the dark and around corners, can communicate in detail about intentions with other traffic thousands of times a second, predict hazards and avoid them, has perfect understanding of grip levels and surface changes, again thousands of times a second and can optimise energy use perfectly, arrive on time (to the second) every journey, transport me whilst asleep even or take my kids to school while I go to the office, drive me drunk back from the pub ....................

The only reason we don't have full AV now is that there are still humans driving cars - remove all human drivers from the road tomorrow and AV tech would be safer already than what we have today ................. 10 years from now it will be light years ahead even if some do still insist on driving manually

See Clive, that tells us all we need to know about your detachment from the world that the vast majority of people live in, I actually feel sorry for you being so tied up in the digital cult that you abandon all ethics and expansive thought. Thankfully some of us are not so easily brainwashed.

Clive · Nov 7, 2019

Scribus said:
Do you actually consider yourself a mature adult in anyway?

when anyone resorts to personal insult in any debate they have lost

ollie989898 · Nov 7, 2019

Driverless machines already exist and I can think of no better place for them than the American prairies. So you say they aren't safe to let them go on the highway? Fine let a human 'drive' the thing sat in his office or on the machine to get to the next field.

Technology gets adopted if it offers a tangible advantage over the present situation. I don't believe driverless vehicles will ever provide a zero road deaths statistic nor do I think such an aim is realistic but I do think autonomous vehicles will show a huge improvement in safety eventually simply because they won'y be subject to the same weaknesses human drivers are.

PSQ · Nov 7, 2019

Scribus said:
Have you any idea what is involved in rendering AV's safe for the road?

Autonomous vehicles would have to be driven hundreds of millions of miles and, under some scenarios, hundreds of billions of miles to create enough data to clearly demonstrate their safety, according to a new RAND report.

It's not meant to be used autonomously on the road. JD's real masterstroke is visible in the top picture: this 'autonomous' tractor is fitted with a Scharmuller ball hitch on it's front and a transport bogie under it; JD are selling an 'autonomous tractor' that needs another tractor and driver to take it out to the field. Genius!

slim shiny said:
And still nowhere to put your dinner bag ?

When Skynet 'becomes self aware', finding a place for the bait bag will be the least of our worries

Scribus · Nov 7, 2019

Clive said:
when anyone resorts to personal insult in any debate they have lost

Indeed. Posting a picture of a lad in a tin foil cap was your flag of surrender.

Clive · Nov 7, 2019

Scribus said:
Indeed. Posting a picture of a lad in a tin foil cap was your flag of surrender.

i think your rather ridiculous idea that the real purpose of AV development was so they could be weaponised to kill us all justified such a image

Norfolk Olly · Nov 7, 2019

PSQ said:
It's not meant to be used autonomously on the road. JD's real masterstroke is visible in the top picture: this 'autonomous' tractor is fitted with a Scharmuller ball hitch on it's front and a transport bogie under it; JD are selling an 'autonomous tractor' that needs another tractor and driver to take it out to the field. Genius!

When Skynet 'becomes self aware', finding a place for the bait bag will be the least of our worries

No worries I’ve a tin foil hat, fight the power

Scribus · Nov 7, 2019

PSQ said:
It's not meant to be used autonomously on the road. JD's real masterstroke is visible in the top picture: this 'autonomous' tractor is fitted with a Scharmuller ball hitch on it's front and a transport bogie under it; JD are selling an 'autonomous tractor' that needs another tractor and driver to take it out to the field. Genius!

When Skynet 'becomes self aware', finding a place for the bait bag will be the least of our worries

Quite so, JD are not quite so away with the digital fairies and are no doubt aware of the huge problems associated with autonomous vehicles once you take them out of a confined and disciplined environment.

Scribus · Nov 7, 2019

Clive said:
i think your rather ridiculous idea that the real purpose of AV development was so they could be weaponised to kill us all justified such a image

It was an insult, by your own logic you lost. End of story.

Oh, and I didn't say it was the real purpose at all, once again you are making things up to justify your adherence to yet another tiresome creed.

Clive · Nov 7, 2019

Scribus said:
It was an insult, by your own logic you lost. End of story.

Oh, and I didn't say it was the real purpose at all, once again you are making things up to justify your adherence to yet another tiresome creed.

If thinking so makes you happy I won’t spoil your evening

I’m just sat watching my TV ....... bit concerned that it might start emitting poison gas though as surely it’s just part of a Chinese master plan to take over the world and kill the westerners ?

Scribus · Nov 7, 2019

Clive said:
If thinking so makes you happy I won’t spoil your evening

I’m just sat watching my TV ....... bit concerned that it might start emitting poison gas though as surely it’s just part of a Chinese master plan to take over the world and kill the westerners ?

Now you're getting it!

What if China wanted to screw the west? It needn't channel any sort of toxic gas through TV's, just turn off the autonomous vehicles, but it wouldn't come to that, the west would cave in way before they got anywhere near the button. You might bear in mind who owns Volvo.

Clive · Nov 7, 2019

Scribus said:
Now you're getting it!

What if China wanted to screw the west? It needn't channel any sort of toxic gas through TV's, just turn off the autonomous vehicles, but it wouldn't come to that, the west would cave in way before they got anywhere near the button. You might bear in mind who owns Volvo.

no words ?????????????

clearly it is possible to watch to much of the terminator movies

kiwi pom · Nov 8, 2019

I always imagined the fully auton

Clive said:
Can't come soon enough !!

I think this concept looks good in that unlike DOT it looks like it would use existing equipment rather than machines tailored to the DOT platform

Full driverless automation of exiting "conventional" tractor is a more likely first step however I think and I guess all that is probably in the way of that is legislation?

Why are you in such a rush for it?

Clive · Nov 8, 2019

kiwi pom said:
I always imagined the fully auton

Why are you in such a rush for it?

weight - I want to remove it from my soil completely

synthetic nputs - I want to stop using them but without yield penalty so moving away from mono cultures is probably the only way and robots are the key to making such diversity economic, planting, hand wedding, pest destroying, harvesting autonomously

skilled labour is my biggest cost / inefficient and biggest problem

kiwi pom · Nov 8, 2019

Clive said:
No new technology works 100% from the start, but that is not reason to not innovate and keep pushing boundaries

how many casualties were their in early days of aviation or crossing oceans ? Should we have not bothered ?

I'm not sure that's a good comparison. Before ships we couldn't get across oceans before planes we couldn't cover vast distances in a short time. We wanted to so considered it a worthwhile risk.
Today if you want to drive somewhere in a small vehicle you can, just jump in and drive away. Anyone reading this thread has obviously done so with a 100% success rate. An autonomous vehicle has to be at least that successful to compete, and I'm beginning to think that, that might be a step too far.

The biggest problem i see is, who takes the blame/pays when it goes wrong and people die?
Boeing is currently in big trouble for just 2 flights that went wrong from what seems to be a software problem. Nothing is 100% safe all the time.

kiwi pom · Nov 8, 2019

Clive said:
weight - I want to remove it from my soil completely

synthetic nputs - I want to stop using them but without yield penalty so moving away from mono cultures is probably the only way and robots are the key to making such diversity economic, planting, hand wedding, pest destroying, harvesting autonomously

skilled labour is my biggest cost / inefficient and biggest problem

What are you planning on growing?
I see they were testing a robot apple picker here last season. Looked impressive (always had someone with it mind) and seems to make sense for certain applications, I'm not sure they'd be much more cost effective for combinable crops though?

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