Will they get the job done

ISCO · Dec 13, 2019

holwellcourtfarm said:
Actually I'd suggest that ours and every other major economy needs to contract, not move forward. Anything else is simply feeding the climate and ecological crisis.

There is a well documented straight line correlation between GDP and energy use. We cannot cut our emissions without cutting our energy use. That means shrinking the economy: decimate food wastage, insulate ALL our housing stock to cut our heating energy use by 75%+, cut our travelling etc, etc.

Enact a proper environment act and regulator able to ensure that the true environmental cost is paid at the point of use for everything we do (so we actually pay for the Chinese emissions and resource use involved in our cheap imported goods). Rebuild our soil health, ecological diversity and water cycle efficiency.

Ditch GDP as a measure of progress in favour of resource efficiency and ecological impact.

I think that's probably a bit much even for Boris to achieve but such fundamental change would need a large majority to implement and we, the public, will never vote for the pain involved. We will just keep putting it off until our world collapses round our ears.

Unfortunately What you say sums up the situation perfectly. The problem is I do not think there is the will within the major polluting economies to implement such radical change.
Solving the environmental crisis should be every countries priority but I cannot see that happening

holwellcourtfarm · Dec 13, 2019

jendan said:
Agriculture as we know it will be finished in England and Wales.It will just take 2 or 3 years for it to become apparent.

I disagree. UK agriculture has a bright future. It will just be a very different type of agriculture where producers nourish their environment and scorn ineffective cost. The agricultural input industry ought to be quaking in its boots.

Huge change is coming to a rural area near you (and me)......

Hampton · Dec 13, 2019

neilo said:
Similarly, there are plenty that have always voted Conservative, who could never bring themselves to vote Labour (particularly a very ‘red’ Labour), who weren’t necessarily ‘leavers’.

But they had the Lib Dem option or the green option

Robt · Dec 13, 2019

i cant wait to see the 40 new hospitals built....... i dont think ill see them in my life time

holwellcourtfarm · Dec 13, 2019

Robt said:
i cant wait to see the 40 new hospitals built....... i dont think ill see them in my life time

But then many of those that have been built since 1997 under PFI have been badly designed and specified money pits

Oat · Dec 13, 2019

I just wonder how many people will be disappointed at the end of January when we don't suddenly have new trade agreements. Boris has talked about how he has a got a deal, but this is only a deal for the transition period until we officially leave, and in that time we then have to start negotiating new trade deals

Lexion1000 · Dec 13, 2019

jendan said:
Agriculture as we know it will be finished in England and Wales.It will just take 2 or 3 years for it to become apparent.

Last night was the final nail in the coffln. I can’t work out what farmers are celebrating, bonkers.

SteveHants · Dec 13, 2019

Oat said:
I just wonder how many people will be disappointed at the end of January when we don't suddenly have new trade agreements. Boris has talked about how he has a got a deal, but this is only a deal for the transition period until we officially leave, and in that time we then have to start negotiating new trade deals

And those deals could take years.

Northeastfarmer · Dec 13, 2019

lazy farmer · Dec 13, 2019

ollie989898 said:
I don't feel smug at all and the result is a surprise to me. I think most of us are fed up with the political circus and just want brexit sorted so the economy can get moving forward.

I did not want a hard left government whose political thinking belongs in 1950.

This nonsense should have been dealt with over 2 years ago and I blame all politicians of all stripes for what has gone on. It is time to take off the kid gloves and negotiate a trade deal with the EU. That is straight forward. If they don't recognise the results and the will of the British people then we should leave roots and all.

Easily said when your career will carry on regardless o.

Jackov Altraids · Dec 13, 2019

Lexion1000 said:
Last night was the final nail in the coffln. I can’t work out what farmers are celebrating, bonkers.

Jendan was right in saying "Agriculture as we know it will be finished in England and Wales.It will just take 2 or 3 years for it to become apparent. "

Brexit will only be a small part of this but leaves us in a position where we can hold OUR government to account and it has no EU excuses to hide behind.
Farming throughout the EU will be facing the same problems and we have the opportunity to be one step ahead.

lazy farmer · Dec 13, 2019

Tarw Coch said:
Well, if he’s saying all labour voters wanted remain he’s an idiot.

The only voters we can be fairly sure wanted leave are Brexit/UKIP.

The only way we would absolutely know would be another referendum but I very much doubt anyone was unaware that Borris main point was getting Brexit done.
The election was as near to another referendum as we'll see.

You are having a laugh ? Have you not seen the results in the north and people admitting they had voted Tory for the first time and how there parents would turn in their graves ?

jendan · Dec 13, 2019

holwellcourtfarm said:
I disagree. UK agriculture has a bright future. It will just be a very different type of agriculture where producers nourish their environment and scorn ineffective cost. The agricultural input industry ought to be quaking in its boots.

Huge change is coming to a rural area near you (and me)......

New Zealand or niche.? There will be casualties.......

Ukjay · Dec 13, 2019

topground said:
What about a trial separation where the SNP and Scotland gets to run their own affairs for a couple of years including raising and spending the budget without tbe benefit of tbe subsidy from tbe rest of the UK that is the Barnett formula. Then after that period have a referendum. My money would be that having seen taxation go through the roof the canny Scots might prefer to stay put.

A new thread perhaps?

Why, (and please note, I'm not meaning to be rude in any way towards you), but if you fluff the pillow - you never learn from errors.

If she so strongly believes she can make a financial go of it, and having had to endure all the bravado she has put on the table many times - just do it without any safety net.
Then when she comes back cap in hand, we can tell her to jog on for the additional unrest and personal pain she is perpetuating upon others simply to fuel her own ego..

Farmer_Joe · Dec 13, 2019

Jackov Altraids said:
Jendan was right in saying "Agriculture as we know it will be finished in England and Wales.It will just take 2 or 3 years for it to become apparent. "

Brexit will only be a small part of this but leaves us in a position where we can hold OUR government to account and it has no EU excuses to hide behind.
Farming throughout the EU will be facing the same problems and we have the opportunity to be one step ahead.

ive ponderd this alot, i think globally its all going to change, and the eu will change, we make have hard times ahead but i genuinely see the eu failing when i look at the debt some of the countries are carrying its staggering.

i hope for our sake getting out now gives us a head start!

the vote percent vs seats is amazing,

lib dem 3.6 mil votes 11 seats
SNP 1.2 mil votes 48 seats
LAB 10mil votes 203 seats

snp done well there make poor lib dem look shafted!

Ukjay · Dec 13, 2019

lazy farmer said:
Well we had boris talking about bringin the country together. If the reaction of his party is like that of the smug xxxxxxxx on here then there is zero chance of that.
My only hope is his majority is large enough to ignore the extremes with in the party.

Who are we referring to here, I couldn't quite understand the name as its xxx'd out

Ukjay · Dec 13, 2019

roscoe erf said:
What they gonna do cry and stamp their feet

Dunno, but trout face is adament she's going for round 2...

lazy farmer · Dec 13, 2019

Farmer_Joe said:
ive ponderd this alot, i think globally its all going to change, and the eu will change, we make have hard times ahead but i genuinely see the eu failing when i look at the debt some of the countries are carrying its staggering.

i hope for our sake getting out now gives us a head start!

the vote percent vs seats is amazing,

lib dem 3.6 mil votes 11 seats
SNP 1.2 mil votes 48 seats
LAB 10mil votes 203 seats

snp done well there make poor lib dem look shafted!

Yeap on the share of the vote in theory the Lib Dem’s should have around 70 seats ???

lazy farmer · Dec 13, 2019

Ukjay said:
Who are we referring to here, I couldn't quite understand the name as its xxx'd out

Hmmmm I wonder?

JP1 · Dec 13, 2019

Farmer_Joe said:
ive ponderd this alot, i think globally its all going to change, and the eu will change, we make have hard times ahead but i genuinely see the eu failing when i look at the debt some of the countries are carrying its staggering.

i hope for our sake getting out now gives us a head start!

the vote percent vs seats is amazing,

lib dem 3.6 mil votes 11 seats
SNP 1.2 mil votes 48 seats
LAB 10mil votes 203 seats

snp done well there make poor lib dem look shafted!

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