Rtx Rangepoint drilling pictures

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Just thought I'd put a few pictures up of the results of my drilling with a trimble 750 screen (rangepoint rtx), on an autosteer massey 7618 with a Kuhn accord combi drill. This was straight onto fluffy ploughing (not pressed light land) with the tractor on terra tyres with a sumo front press. I Know it is not rtk accuracy but is a lot cheaper and still pleased with results. If ploughing was pressed to firm up then it might improve further.
Pictures 1,2 & 3 just general pics of drilling. Picture 4 shows first breed after setting a - b line after headland sprayer breed. Picture 5 shows drill join in middle of tramline as on 24m with 4m drill. Picture 6 shows general gap between drill breeds.
I have also seen some very good results from JD sf1 signal to from neighbours.
 

Daniel

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That's a lot better than some of our early efforts this season. Have had tractor re calibrated and turned sensitivity up to 140% (CNH AFS 700) and seemed to improve it, still waiting for wheat to emerge for final proof though.
 

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That's a lot better than some of our early efforts this season. Have had tractor re calibrated and turned sensitivity up to 140% (CNH AFS 700) and seemed to improve it, still waiting for wheat to emerge for final proof though.
I tended to have ours set to 142% as press can upset tractor as its a sumo centre press with lorry tyres and they are non steering. Even though range point is only said to be 15 cm accuracy, When spraying discing/pressing off , If I measure the distance it is usually within 5cm of my set width.
 

Tractor Boy

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Just thought I'd put a few pictures up of the results of my drilling with a trimble 750 screen (rangepoint rtx), on an autosteer massey 7618 with a Kuhn accord combi drill. This was straight onto fluffy ploughing (not pressed light land) with the tractor on terra tyres with a sumo front press. I Know it is not rtk accuracy but is a lot cheaper and still pleased with results. If ploughing was pressed to firm up then it might improve further.
Pictures 1,2 & 3 just general pics of drilling. Picture 4 shows first breed after setting a - b line after headland sprayer breed. Picture 5 shows drill join in middle of tramline as on 24m with 4m drill. Picture 6 shows general gap between drill breeds.
I have also seen some very good results from JD sf1 signal to from neighbours.
That's really good. I will have the same setup when our 7618 comes. This season I used the same as you with an EZ steer on a 6480. I had one field where I overlapped one way and missed a few cm the other so I had to change the width down from 4 m to 3.9 m. I didn't really want to use an offset as I think it was due to slight side undulations in the field. Perhaps that would be where full auto steer and a better terrain compensation would outperform my EZ steer and T2.
 

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That's really good. I will have the same setup when our 7618 comes. This season I used the same as you with an EZ steer on a 6480. I had one field where I overlapped one way and missed a few cm the other so I had to change the width down from 4 m to 3.9 m. I didn't really want to use an offset as I think it was due to slight side undulations in the field. Perhaps that would be where full auto steer and a better terrain compensation would outperform my EZ steer and T2.
Last season used it on our 6480 with an ez steer so use to both ways. Not a lot of noticeable difference between 2. Autosteer has an advanage when spraying / rolling as when guidance line is highlighted the tractor will turn in and find line, where the ez steer you have to be more or less on line before activating.
Be interested where they put the nav ll control box on your new tractor, as ours started off under right hand wheel arch trim but had problems due to angle of box, so know bolted on floor. May improve accuracy if massey gets this rubbish cab suspension sorted to stop cab banging about which will give tge nav ll box a smoother ride.!! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Looks a bit poor to me unless the soft ground was really pulling the tractor about. I would expect free signal to do better, not pass to pass, but certainly drive up and down the field without the wriggles?
 

Tractor Boy

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5 and 6 show the drill runs basically bang on but the set up of the steering letting it all down.

On my drilling i have to nudge drift between runs because i can't justify paying for more hardware and subs, but essentially the runs themselves are bang on with MF auto guide.
They are pretty much bang on. What drill are you using where's there's no slight sideways jolts or room in the coulters? Also the lAnd wasn't pressed firm
 

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Looks a bit poor to me unless the soft ground was really pulling the tractor about. I would expect free signal to do better, not pass to pass, but certainly drive up and down the field without the wriggles?
I have used egnos and tried to drill with it but it was too far out. Rangepoint isn't recomended by trimble for drilling anyway. I know there is some slight weaving but as said onto loose fluffy ploughing, with a front press and i dont have to keep shifting the line so i am pleased. No major gaps left. If it were totally perfect then nobody would need to pay for rtk !!!
Your more than welcome to post pictures of your drilling on egnos so we can see the results. Have you a front press on as this doesn't help. I am open to ideas to make improvements as always learning.
 
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I have used egnos and tried to drill with it but it was too far out. Rangepoint isn't recomended by trimble for drilling anyway. I know there is some slight weaving but as said onto loose fluffy ploughing, with a front press and i dont have to keep shifting the line so i am pleased. No major gaps left. If it were totally perfect then nobody would need to pay for rtk !!!
Your more than welcome to post pictures of your drilling on egnos so we can see the results. Have you a front press on as this doesn't help. I am open to ideas to make improvements as always learning.

I'll get some pics today, the last field drilled is a spongy ploughed black loam. I have a trailed plain disc drill so probably the easiest scenario to deal with. Having said that i have no correction for tractor cab tilt as that is extra.

BTW I am only looking to be constructive, and your bouts match really well, but these set ups are not cheap and I can't see why when properly set up there should be so much jiggling about, it's the same on Daniel's.
 

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I'll get some pics today, the last field drilled is a spongy ploughed black loam. I have a trailed plain disc drill so probably the easiest scenario to deal with. Having said that i have no correction for tractor cab tilt as that is extra.


BTW I am only looking to be constructive, and your bouts match really well, but these set ups are not cheap and I can't see why when properly set up there should be so much jiggling about, it's the same on Daniel's.

Mounted drills show wiggles a lot more than trailed.
 
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Apologies for the poor quality images, perhaps I was a little harsh earlier:whistle:! But this by far the worst drilling I've done, no tilt compensation or subscription signal, drilled at an angle to the ploughing.
 

Tractor Boy

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They look good too but there are still wiggles even with your trailed drill which will be easier to avoid them than a mounted combi. The difference is that if you keep nudging due to your signal inaccuracy you are effectively just aiding your manual markers. @Rookie is able to drill accurately without having to use any manual markers.
 

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You've done well if that is on egnos. Might be a different result if using a front press. At least you have come up with the pictures. I am suprised that the massey system hasnt got a tilt sensor in the receiver like some of the other manufacturers ? Reason which put me off the massey guidance was that it ties up the datatronic screen, and less signal choice with the possibility of having to go to omnistar to drill £££. Also was already use to trimble screen.
I still use my markers for drilling as do headlands manually and like to see that gps is keeping to a line when going up and down field also.
Be interesting to see pictures of results for drilling from different signals / manufacturers, especially on non rtk quality. Im pretty sure firmer conditions would cut out some of the corrections on mine.
 
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They look good too but there are still wiggles even with your trailed drill which will be easier to avoid them than a mounted combi. The difference is that if you keep nudging due to your signal inaccuracy you are effectively just aiding your manual markers. @Rookie is able to drill accurately without having to use any manual markers.

I didn't use manual markers before guidance because most of my drilling is DD and they don't help, and I would knock them off. I just watch the drill lines and nudge if necessary, not very often if I can keep from right underneath the trees.
 

Tractor Boy

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I didn't use manual markers before guidance because most of my drilling is DD and they don't help, and I would knock them off. I just watch the drill lines and nudge if necessary, not very often if I can keep from right underneath the trees.
Ok, you're not using markers but your eye is the marker. By the sound of it you are effectively overriding the GPS by your own eye when you press nudge. That's what I started off by doing with EGNOS. That gives you a good straight line and your eye must be better than mine because with our 4m drill I could still get over and under laps. I find now the line is straight(ok a few wiggles) and with no real wide/narrow joints. I do still have manual markers down just so I can see straight away if the GPS has drifted.
 
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You've done well if that is on egnos. Might be a different result if using a front press. At least you have come up with the pictures. I am suprised that the massey system hasnt got a tilt sensor in the receiver like some of the other manufacturers ? Reason which put me off the massey guidance was that it ties up the datatronic screen, and less signal choice with the possibility of having to go to omnistar to drill £££. Also was already use to trimble screen.
I still use my markers for drilling as do headlands manually and like to see that gps is keeping to a line when going up and down field also.
Be interesting to see pictures of results for drilling from different signals / manufacturers, especially on non rtk quality. Im pretty sure firmer conditions would cut out some of the corrections on mine.

Egnos and Glonass is a lot better than Egnos alone. With both you can get a lot closer to trees without causing skips or overlaps.

A tilt sensor is clicked into the antenna box, same as an RTK module, its a fair jump in cost! Regarding Omnistar, I know what you mean as RTK would be the only sensible upgrade, given a local signal provider?

I tend to have the datatronic on the coverage screen once the A to B is set up, but flick around others while using the guidance, but no nudging unless on the autoguide page which can be inconvenient at times.
 

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