Cranesbill

czechmate · Feb 15, 2020

The cereals that have managed to survive (quite well thankfully) the last 4 months are all pretty clean. By far the most widespread weed, and the only one worth thinking of controlling is cranesbill. I am struggling for advice over here

What is recommended as a cost effective but effective Chem to use please?
Must admit, my last few years in the uk, spring always seemed to be ally max/starane mix which I have never used here...

DrWazzock · Feb 15, 2020

I have found ally max and starane to work well.

Hindsight · Feb 15, 2020

czechmate said:
The cereals that have managed to survive (quite well thankfully) the last 4 months are all pretty clean. By far the most widespread weed, and the only one worth thinking of controlling is cranesbill. I am struggling for advice over here What is recommended as a cost effective but effective Chem to use please?
Must admit, my last few years in the uk, spring always seemed to be ally max/starane mix which I have never used here...

Arylex - recently introduced. V good on Cranesbill.

AndrewM · Feb 15, 2020

Ally max + starane for blw+cleavers or 1/2 ally max + pixarro (arylex) for general blw spring tidy up here. Arylex gives a satisfying quick knock down on alot if weeds.

If just cranesbill would probably just do ally max or one of the arylex products depending on price.

ollie989898 · Feb 15, 2020

Half dose of ally with arylex would sort most things.

If cleavers or chickweed are an issue use ally and cmpp.

DrWazzock · Feb 16, 2020

On a slightly different note I have plenty of cranesbill in my stubbles which I sprayed off and drilled last week. I hope I have killed it with 5litres glyphosate and full rate xchange, left 7 days but a bit frosty. I had ordered li700 but it did not arrive in time. I considered Kyleo but it seemed like double the price of glyphosate with no mention of cranesbill on the label. Time will tell. Anyway another chance with ally max and starane later, but I tend to go much later with it to try and take me through to harvest.

Badshot · Feb 16, 2020

DrWazzock said:
On a slightly different note I have plenty of cranesbill in my stubbles which I sprayed off and drilled last week. I hope I have killed it with 5litres glyphosate and full rate xchange, left 7 days but a bit frosty. I had ordered li700 but it did not arrive in time. I considered Kyleo but it seemed like double the price of glyphosate with no mention of cranesbill on the label. Time will tell. Anyway another chance with ally max and starane later, but I tend to go much later with it to try and take me through to harvest.

I had terrible control of cranesbill last year with glyphosate, mainly because half the cranesbill had no leaves and regrew after application.

Brisel · Feb 16, 2020

DrWazzock said:
On a slightly different note I have plenty of cranesbill in my stubbles which I sprayed off and drilled last week. I hope I have killed it with 5litres glyphosate and full rate xchange, left 7 days but a bit frosty. I had ordered li700 but it did not arrive in time. I considered Kyleo but it seemed like double the price of glyphosate with no mention of cranesbill on the label. Time will tell. Anyway another chance with ally max and starane later, but I tend to go much later with it to try and take me through to harvest.

I use Kyleo in winter for cranesbill, willowherb and big spear thistles. It's not so expensive when you consider what killing them with selective herbicides in the next crop costs, though obviously you've got to consider what you'd be travelling through the crop with anyway where a slightly higher dose might be better value if you're not worried about resistance building.

Brisel · Feb 16, 2020

czechmate said:
The cereals that have managed to survive (quite well thankfully) the last 4 months are all pretty clean. By far the most widespread weed, and the only one worth thinking of controlling is cranesbill. I am struggling for advice over here What is recommended as a cost effective but effective Chem to use please?
Must admit, my last few years in the uk, spring always seemed to be ally max/starane mix which I have never used here...

Assuming it's cereals you want to control it in, over here we have;

Pendimethalin - useful as a partner but not much use by itself
Picolinafen - usually partnered with PDM as an autumn herbicide. Pricey for what it does
Metsulfuron - best mixed with other SUs to boost control like tribenuron or thifensulfuron
Fluroxypyr - Not on the label as a straight but a useful partner
Mecoprop/CMPP - useful partner
Halauxifen - Arylex. Newer chemistry. Very good.

Flat 10 · Feb 16, 2020

Brisel said:
I use Kyleo in winter for cranesbill, willowherb and big spear thistles. It's not so expensive when you consider what killing them with selective herbicides in the next crop costs, though obviously you've got to consider what you'd be travelling through the crop with anyway where a slightly higher dose might be better value if you're not worried about resistance building.

Would it be allowed/advisable to use kyleo at a lower rate and top up with generic glyphosate?

robbie · Feb 16, 2020

It would be cheaper still to just chuck some 2d4 intothe tank with the glyphosate but sadly the label doesnt allow it.

Flat 10 · Feb 16, 2020

robbie said:
It would be cheaper still to just chuck some 2d4 intothe tank with the glyphosate but sadly the label doesnt allow it.

I knew that

czechmate · Feb 16, 2020

Brisel said:
Assuming it's cereals you want to control it in, over here we have;

Pendimethalin - useful as a partner but not much use by itself
Picolinafen - usually partnered with PDM as an autumn herbicide. Pricey for what it does
Metsulfuron - best mixed with other SUs to boost control like tribenuron or thifensulfuron
Fluroxypyr - Not on the label as a straight but a useful partner
Mecoprop/CMPP - useful partner
Halauxifen - Arylex. Newer chemistry. Very good.

It is on all cereals. So the arylex sounds good, except not for use on oats apparently. I do like full rate ally max for oats as one year I had some good results against some grasses - although that hasn’t been repeated.

I would like to get set up with a good advisor here, but there is a recurring theam in this rural area. After a couple of years here we registered with a co op and their guy was quite good, for the year we had him, then he announced he was taking early retirement. His replacement was a young lady who didn’t seem to know what was what very much (although very knowledgable on sunflowers) - anyway she wanted to come out about the 5th January to sort out our order for this year, I thought it extraordinarily early, especially this year, anyway we took a stab at pgr, fungicide and I asked about a crop walk later (when it was actually growing) , « oh, I’m off on maternity leave in a couple of weeks ».

Brisel · Feb 16, 2020

Flat 10 said:
Would it be allowed/advisable to use kyleo at a lower rate and top up with generic glyphosate?

Hormones like 2,4D need active growth to work better. At this time of year you need high rates to achieve the same job so I'd be reluctant to cut rates of Kyleo. I've had poor control in the autumn of willowherb & cranesbill from just 3 l/ha of Kyleo. I did try ordinary glyphosate + 0.33 l/ha of Shark but that was just as expensive, not quick acting & has a 1 month drilling interval.

robbie · Feb 16, 2020

Flat 10 said:
I knew that

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Brisel · Feb 16, 2020

czechmate said:
It is on all cereals. So the arylex sounds good, except not for use on oats apparently. I do like full rate ally max for oats as one year I had some good results against some grasses - although that hasn’t been repeated.

I would like to get set up with a good advisor here, but there is a recurring theam in this rural area. After a couple of years here we registered with a co op and their guy was quite good, for the year we had him, then he announced he was taking early retirement. His replacement was a young lady who didn’t seem to know what was what very much (although very knowledgable on sunflowers) - anyway she wanted to come out about the 5th January to sort out our order for this year, I thought it extraordinarily early, especially this year, anyway we took a stab at pgr, fungicide and I asked about a crop walk later (when it was actually growing) , « oh, I’m off on maternity leave in a couple of weeks ».

I see an opportunity for you to keep fit and get paid for it...! How about getting some agronomy training and going crop walking for others e.g. your co-op? When I've spoken to French farmers & suppliers in the past e.g. Union Invivo, they have been quite envious of our BASIS and NRoSO schemes and the professionalism they created.

czechmate · Feb 16, 2020

Brisel said:
I see an opportunity for you to keep fit and get paid for it...! How about getting some agronomy training and going crop walking for others e.g. your co-op? When I've spoken to French farmers & suppliers in the past e.g. Union Invivo, they have been quite envious of our BASIS and NRoSO schemes and the professionalism they created.

Where we live must be over 80% grass. We have a very rare block of drained ground for the area - this is the other reason we struggle for arable help.
Plus, one of the reasons our previous guy went for early retirement is there are big changes afoot here for Ag chems and it will become a minefield. All about reducing Chem use. For eg, last year, discount became disallowed so every one has to charge the same price. Next, you can’t buy without a prescription (from a qualified advisor of course), and next the advisor (or their company) won’t be able to supply the products.
I can see a time (soon) when a cleaner will become an essential tool for grain storage

At least the summers are hot, dry and sunny so the weeds die and dry

Edit - I keep writing/saying this to get used to the idea

but this year I turn 60, so can’t say I am looking for a new enterprise

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