Price of Farmland

Location
southwest
High land and property prices will continue simply because that is what the UK economy and Banking system is based on.

World stock markets have dived recently because of Corvid 19-that's short term money. Long term is land & property

Never confuse price with worth
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
There not making anymore and a fair bits going to be covered in trees so i cant see prices dropping
There may not be more land being made but if our Government continue down this route of making profitable farming impossible then it seems inevitable there actually will be a lot more land being made, not physically but in terms of availability... increased supply, reduced demand, lower prices, its basic economics...
 

Still Farming

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South Wales UK
There may not be more land being made but if our Government continue down this route of making profitable farming impossible then it seems inevitable there actually will be a lot more land being made, not physically but in terms of availability... increased supply, reduced demand, lower prices, its basic economics...
There will be more factors at play than value possibly??
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
There may not be more land being made but if our Government continue down this route of making profitable farming impossible then it seems inevitable there actually will be a lot more land being made, not physically but in terms of availability... increased supply, reduced demand, lower prices, its basic economics...
Plenty of profitable farmers about looking to expand, take the farm mentioned earlier in the thread by @Hfd Cattle , 3 farmers bidding and now 2 waiting in the wings to buy the next good farm on the market
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Sometimes hear that but where is it? Anyone know of any land owned by pension/insurance companies? We all know who owns what around us but I've never heard of anyone renting land off a pension fund

There are certainly some. Ownership can often be more opaque that you think, its often hard to find out who really owns the assets in farms that operate as limited companies... Farm businesses that holds the land are rarely named after the pension fund that has invested £5million into that farming company... You may think you know who own the big farms around you but perhaps 90% of the equity in the company is actually not their own money!

This may be outdated.. but one example "The CERN pension fund owns a 664 ha farm in the UK, near Cambridge, and, through a limited partnership established by Craigmore Farming"
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
There are certainly some. Ownership can often be more opaque that you think, its often hard to find out who really owns the assets in farms that operate as limited companies... Farm businesses that holds the land are rarely named after the pension fund that has invested £5million into that farming company... You may think you know who own the big farms around you but perhaps 90% of the equity in the company is actually not their own money!

This may be outdated.. but one example "The CERN pension fund owns a 664 ha farm in the UK, near Cambridge, and, through a limited partnership established by Craigmore Farming"
Online land registry search fails to name current owners/buyers on farms like these so perhaps you are correct.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Plenty of profitable farmers about looking to expand, take the farm mentioned earlier in the thread by @Hfd Cattle , 3 farmers bidding and now 2 waiting in the wings to buy the next good farm on the market
That is true, for now, but will be fewer profitable farmers with the abolition of farm subs, abolition of red diesel, increased, potential loss of EU export markets if tariffs are applied, cheaper imports if import barriers are reduced etc etc... The key is those buyers you mention are looking to buy the next good farm... the price gap between good farms and more difficult, less productive farms is going to widen out.
 
land values have nothing to do with farming

land ownership is investment, not trading
Land values are linked to farming, if farming ceases to be profitable for a good percentage of farmers we will see a lot more land on the market with fewer potential buyers. Especially with the safety net of bps removed. So land price is likely to drop slightly in the next 10 years due to basic supply and demand. I reckon.
 

Pilatus

Member
Location
cotswolds
There are certainly some. Ownership can often be more opaque that you think, its often hard to find out who really owns the assets in farms that operate as limited companies... Farm businesses that holds the land are rarely named after the pension fund that has invested £5million into that farming company... You may think you know who own the big farms around you but perhaps 90% of the equity in the company is actually not their own money!

This may be outdated.. but one example "The CERN pension fund owns a 664 ha farm in the UK, near Cambridge, and, through a limited partnership established by Craigmore Farming"
What about , back in 2014 “Wellcome Trust buys Co-op farms for £249 million”, pharmaceutical profits.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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