Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
These sheds with gantry d for straw look a bit 1970s. I want to deploy my spreadabale .
B and B pig operators
- Thread starter ollie989898
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- Location
- Bedfordshire
I don't think you need a lot of straw, and if it's a site off farm, that just have an old scraper tractor there.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I have but I just can't. Three reasons. Firstly, sorry, but it's public perception. I understand the welfare thing but I don't think the public do. Second, I can deal with fym easily over slurry. Thirdly, building alternative uses. Although I am more inclined to think a slatted shed is more suited to tax allowences.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
I’d hate to think I invest 300k in something that’s going to give me a lifetime of manual handling straw and probably farmers lung at the end , stuff that I’d want a Set up for a bedding machine.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I think this is a mental thing for arable farmers, or at least me. I don't know how long it takes for the stock farmer brain to set in, but I think I'd be in that shed "checking" on them pretty much all day. I'm used to small children, and know if you take your eye off them for one second they destroy stuff. I'm sure I'd be in far longer than useful! Might put a small gym in the welfare room.
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
You just don't need very much straw. There's a very fancy machine in Germany that places straw only over dirty bits from an overhead gantry but you're talking £££
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I am not handy. I'm actually spending this week getting quotes for the groundwork, shed, putting it up etc. I can't see why I shouldn't get the shed up and concreted quite reasonably. Then as said direct for the fittings and pay someone skilled to fit it out.
Don't expect to save £100k but most be able to get it down to a bit under £190k for the lot. And that makes a big difference if you think that's 18 months income.
Didn't think of the China route for the internals.
Are there opportunities on the breeding side as well?
Piggy_jags
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- Location
- Suffolk
Yes. But if your in the SW you need to speak to Stockcroft LTD and Fawley farms
Piggy_jags
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- Location
- Suffolk
Piggy_jags
Member
- Location
- Suffolk
We have one building at 22’ to the eves it was designed for Just in case the pig job fell over. It’s been a bit of a disappointment if I’m honest. Air warms up then cools down and falls back down onto the pigs leaving to mucking in the wrong place.
this has been solved now by putting in a false roof a great cost.
most of our new builds now are between 12-16ft at the eves.
the lower ones stay much cleaner during the summer.
this has been solved now by putting in a false roof a great cost.
most of our new builds now are between 12-16ft at the eves.
the lower ones stay much cleaner during the summer.
- Location
- North Yorkshire
Have a look on pig world classifieds. Complete set up for 2, 1000 place buildings weaner to finish, all internal fittings for sale. There’s a lot of men gone out of pigs fairly recently and a lot of second hand gear out there
rob h
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- Location
- east yorkshire
How do you see problems in a pen of pig's from the Loder seat.part of walking along the gantry chucking straw over the side is looking down into each pen and checking for sick injured or tail biting
Hilly
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Walk along gantry for a look , put a spreadable on rails on the gantry remote controlled but manually handling straw in this era not fir me your welcome to the farmers lung
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Several points.
Straw based better for [perceived] welfare and FYM better than slurry for the soil long term.
The spread a bale point is not valid. We put 10 6-string bales evenly down the passage using a telehandler and some home made bale movers (happy to share design) every 10 days, takes 45mins per shed with 3 people. Then every day each pen gets a biscuit kicked off the walkway. The pigs do the rest.
Mark is correct saying 2 - 3 man hours per 100 pigs in the morning, then half an hour in the evening.
We decided to use a turn key builder as, even though it is the most expensive option, it only took 10 weeks. Then we were earning money. If it had taken us 52 weeks to build 2 sheds we would have lost out on £80k gross income. My own labour is also not free.
We went 14ft to the eaves to ensure future change of use.
What I say to others is if you have to borrow most of the money AND employ someone outside of the family to do the pigs, then it will probably not work. But otherwise we are happy with our decision to go into the BnB pig job, especially when you go to soils seminars and they all say that FYM is, by a margin, the best soil amendment there is.
When I see 1400 ton FYM worth at least £10k in nutrients then that is the icing on the cake.
Straw based better for [perceived] welfare and FYM better than slurry for the soil long term.
The spread a bale point is not valid. We put 10 6-string bales evenly down the passage using a telehandler and some home made bale movers (happy to share design) every 10 days, takes 45mins per shed with 3 people. Then every day each pen gets a biscuit kicked off the walkway. The pigs do the rest.
Mark is correct saying 2 - 3 man hours per 100 pigs in the morning, then half an hour in the evening.
We decided to use a turn key builder as, even though it is the most expensive option, it only took 10 weeks. Then we were earning money. If it had taken us 52 weeks to build 2 sheds we would have lost out on £80k gross income. My own labour is also not free.
We went 14ft to the eaves to ensure future change of use.
What I say to others is if you have to borrow most of the money AND employ someone outside of the family to do the pigs, then it will probably not work. But otherwise we are happy with our decision to go into the BnB pig job, especially when you go to soils seminars and they all say that FYM is, by a margin, the best soil amendment there is.
When I see 1400 ton FYM worth at least £10k in nutrients then that is the icing on the cake.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
We are happy to talk through and show around our unit with anybody that is seriously interested. Pros and Cons. Warts and all.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
I would say ROR is probably 5 or 6 % if you write the buildings down to zero over 20 years. With no building depreciation then it would be 10 - 12 %.
As we all know the buildings will still be there in 20 years.
Another point.
Has anybody tried getting planning permission for 20,000 sq ft buildings on a greenfield site unless it was for agriculture?
Change of use however........
As we all know the buildings will still be there in 20 years.
Another point.
Has anybody tried getting planning permission for 20,000 sq ft buildings on a greenfield site unless it was for agriculture?
Change of use however........
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I'd probably write the internals to zero over 15 years, and the shed not at all.
My plans are based on 14ft height. And will be galvanised. I'd love a visit @snarling bee and sorry it has taken so long to arrange! Been tricky to get motivated to look at farm investment while much of my farm was a big puddle.
Do you consider the £10k of muck in your return on investment?
My plans are based on 14ft height. And will be galvanised. I'd love a visit @snarling bee and sorry it has taken so long to arrange! Been tricky to get motivated to look at farm investment while much of my farm was a big puddle.
Do you consider the £10k of muck in your return on investment?
- Location
- somerset
seems to have moved on from the 60's, when we used squeegees and shovels, to clean the pens out !! Have thought about it since, we have straw yards empty all summer, but doubt if anyone would want an 8 month contract, I keep threatening the old sow across the road, that I am going to fill the large barn opposite her with pigs !
Could be a good option for someone needing to send their pigs away while they get on with something on an existing unit (eg building works or destock/repop).