aaronyoung
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Would a Keltic bale chaser be worth looking at second hand do you think
tractor hire with operator
- Thread starter aaronyoung
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- Location
- Co antrim
Yes if u can find 1 second hand. But if ur wantin a chance at work thats what u need cause fartin about with 4 bales isnt worth 35 quid an hour but a keltec 10 bale with a loader tractor is the way to go. If the farmer had a handler in yard stackin ud red up bales quick
aaronyoung
Member
I seen one for 5.5 k would it a look
- Location
- Co antrim
Go get it bought. Then u have a machine that the all competition doesnt have
Wellytrack
Member
Look, I’m not going to utter a single word of discouragement to you. Many have started that type of work and built a successful one man band business.
Your young and keen, great attributes to have for the work you intend to do, but the hard part of contracting is not the hard work and long hours, but I feel you will not understand that until you actually go do it.
Go for it.
I look forward to updates.
aaronyoung
Member
Thanks for this will give it a look?
aaronyoung
Member
Also would it we worth blocking into one of the 8 bale trailers where the bale sit in i would need a loader for that just a double bale lifter and place them in between the groves would it be worth a look
Have you tried to insure a post drive to hire out. One claim and you will be buying a one way plane ticket.
ollandroverman
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- Location
- nr Kendal (The Lake District)
A few questions about your business model.... When a farmer already has a tractor sat idle and values his own time at zero, how can you be cheaper?
Secondly, why a biggish tractor to only pick up a couple of bales?
You state you will do a better job than other experienced contractors to win the work, but are you actually a better opperator?
Are you even experienced?
What work have you on your C.V.?
How could you convince me I need to employ your services?
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aaronyoung
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He puts in 1 bale for every 4 I do and probably burns 50-60% of the desiel I am therefore I can be about 2 times more economical for him, why a big tractor well my plans to go into trailer and digger works and hedge cutting also a small bit of silage and fencing ,also I would be more likely to get hired into a contractors fleet with a bigger tractor than with a 1995 100 ph tractor, well I won’t be in any big rush to get to the next person I will provide my time and try to provide a high quality of work some contractors drawing bales for the farmer just fire them in only to put holes in the bales and then what a the farmer left with rotten silage, well a better operator yes as I’m more concerned about my service I provide than a big contractor who wants to get in out and paid no matter the quality
ollandroverman
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- Location
- nr Kendal (The Lake District)
Your man-maths don't add up still.
The farmer quite probably has a smaller tractor that burns less fuel per hour, so although he takes more hours, he still isn't using massively more fuel than you would. The farmer already has a tractor sat and paid for on other work, and in effect he will value his time at nought too, so his tractor and time are free to him in his mind. Where as you have a tractor that has to be paid for out of this work, and you have to earn a living at the same time......so when charging for layout tractor and your time, how are you cheaper than the farmer?
When you aim to take your time doing the job it will be increasing the bill even more for the farmer.
I ask again as you missed the last question I asked....You state you will do a better job than another contractor to win work, but what experience have you actually got that makes you better?
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aaronyoung
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He puts in 1 bale for every 4 I do and probably burns 50-60% of the desiel I am therefore I can be about 2 times more economical for him, why a big tractor well my plans to go into trailer and digger works and hedge cutting also a small bit of silage and fencing ,also I would be more likely to get hired into a contractors fleet with a bigger tractor than with a 1995 100 ph tractor, well I won’t be in any big rush to get to the next person I will provide my time and try to provide a high quality of work some contractors drawing bales for the farmer just fire them in only to put holes in the bales and then what a the farmer left with rotten silage, well a better operator yes as I’m not
It’ll take me 1,30hr to do what he will do in 4hr so how is he not saving money and he will get the job done quicker also no farmer wants the hassle of drawing hundreds of bales,I’ve been drawing bales for the past 6 years (on trailers bale lifters ) so I would say I’ve plenty of experience and I answered you question I’m not in any rush to do it so I can devote my to to doing a good job for him
ollandroverman
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- Location
- nr Kendal (The Lake District)
Goodness.
How can I boil this down to more basics than it already is...
Say you had a field of bales to shift, and it took you 2 hours. £20 for your tractor, £20 for you, £10 repairs and maintenance, 2 hours at 10 litres an hour = fuel costing £12.
So a total of £62 to do the job
Farmers costs..... 7 hours of fuel at 5 litres hour = £ 35.
And that is it. No tractor to pay for against this job, his time is his own.
You are dearer. Why would i employ your services?
Note....this is severely oversimplified costings for the hypothetical farmer. I am illustrating a point of view.
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aaronyoung
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There you go not many farmers are going to spend 7 hours of their own time Drawing bales considering what they have to do in a day most will pay somebody to it 7 hours is a long time considering a farmers buzzy day imagine he has 200 cattle to look at there’s not a notion he going to spend 3 hours looking at cattle and then drawing for 7 hours
ollie989898
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I'm afraid to say you may be wasting your time on this.
aaronyoung
Member
Well thanks for your option is been very incoursging to say the least u do your thing a and it’s 40 € a hour I would change so I think people will avail of it time will tell but also tell me why contractors price this service and a good amount of farmers use it ?
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
So at €25 per hour 1,30 hrs that would be €32.50 plus the farmers diesel, you would use 14 liters per hour so 1.30 hours you would use 18.2 liters of fuel, let's say €0.50 for a liter of diesel, dose not matter how much it is as farmer is paying either way, so say to shift 100 bales it takes you 2 hours,
The cost of getting you in is €79
Now the farmers own tractor uses 8 liters per hour, but he is on for 6.2 hours
So farmer uses 65 liters of fuel at a cost of €32.50
€79 - €32.50 = €46.50
the farmer would save €46.50 doing it himself over the cost of getting you to do it,
You have to remember farmers will work for nothing to save a bit of money, and after paying the baling man and the wrapper man plus plastic wrap, he will want to save all he can, and usually at that time of year all the stock is out on grass and has a good bit of spare time to bring the bales in himself, as lot less yard work among stock,,
Farmer is not likely to pay you to cart bales while he sits in a deck chair drinking lemonade while watching you and it costing he €46.50 for the pleasure
Edit I was working on you charging €25 per hour as from a previous post of yours, now your taking €40 an hour, so the above is far dearer that said in my post
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ollandroverman
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- Location
- nr Kendal (The Lake District)
I think you are right.
ollandroverman
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- Location
- nr Kendal (The Lake District)
Of course they are if it saves them money
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
10 hour day for a man with 200 cattle would be part time, and you say 7 of that is drawing bales, so are you saying no bales is only a 3 hour day,