Foliar feeding drought stressed wheat?

snarling bee

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Bedfordshire
I am still shocked at how thick they are


thick crops also relate directly to increased disease & fungicide use
Indeed
We normally aim for 10t/ha, even if we usually miss, but to do that we need 600 ears/m2 and therefore plant approx 350 seeds. Just like you we can only farm to the current conditions and what we can reasonably expect. We can't predict the weather. There was a swing towards lower seed rates a few years ago, in response to earlier drilling. But we found that yields dropped on our heavy clay, so I for one, have put seed rates back up. We are VR seeding now so that is a more managed approach, and our crops are more even across the soil types.
 
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ajd132

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Suffolk
I’ve been putting 4ls ha of Omex mn and mg on also 4l/ha of molasses as a carbon source. Its made spring barley look better over night. Doing some wheat now with a cheap fungicide and the same nutrient and molasses mix.
 

snarling bee

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Bedfordshire
I've done a tramline trial with some 'carefully balance foliar feed' on some spring barley. If it doesn't work this year it never will. The product gave some spectacular yield responses in the biased trials, so I'm doing an independent one.
 

ajd132

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Suffolk
I've done a tramline trial with some 'carefully balance foliar feed' on some spring barley. If it doesn't work this year it never will. The product gave some spectacular yield responses in the biased trials, so I'm doing an independent one.
? what gear is that? There’s some right mixtures available! The mn and mg I used works out at about £6/ha
 

willy

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Rutland
Try yara Krista plus (potash and nitrogen) at 5kgs ha in 100lts through a flat fan early morning or late evening.
I can see to the line left a few trials out. and have used it on all my crops this year
 

Chalky

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Stating the bleeding obvious that when its dry the main shortage is water....
The first elements to go missing in action are Mg, B and K for us. This year, as seen in others with challenging soil conditions at drilling/overwinter, Mn is worse than usual as can be seen by crop colour, and analysis. Usually Yara mancozin @30, then Mg/B, Mg/B/Zn at 32 & 39. This year Mn at 32 & 39 where not usually required
Potash included at latter stage, though the cost sometimes means we omit. Excluding the foliar K, using solids, B is pennies, we end up about £12/ha. Compared to neighbours who do not, the crops last longer-and that is the whole point is it not. An early harvest has one advantage, but not often a big yield. OSR & Wheat on high pH chalks and loams.
 

ajd132

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Suffolk
Stating the bleeding obvious that when its dry the main shortage is water....
The first elements to go missing in action are Mg, B and K for us. This year, as seen in others with challenging soil conditions at drilling/overwinter, Mn is worse than usual as can be seen by crop colour, and analysis. Usually Yara mancozin @30, then Mg/B, Mg/B/Zn at 32 & 39. This year Mn at 32 & 39 where not usually required
Potash included at latter stage, though the cost sometimes means we omit. Excluding the foliar K, using solids, B is pennies, we end up about £12/ha. Compared to neighbours who do not, the crops last longer-and that is the whole point is it not. An early harvest has one advantage, but not often a big yield. OSR & Wheat on high pH chalks and loams.
I think after a couple of years of sap testing it’s easy to pick up what’s lacking. On our hanslope clays it’s always mn and mg, with occasionally zinc.
 

Chae1

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Aberdeenshire
in Australia they plant thin stands and aim for low biomass as the more biomass the crop has the quicker it runs out of water before grain fill
when I had ausis visit they were shocked how thick our crops were

That's interesting.

I thought plenty biomass would mean the plant could utilise the biomass to ripen and produce something when it starts to die off. Ie it would die and go to the head.

Plenty biomass definitely holds moisture better. If there's a heavy dew it will stay damp in bottom for much longer than a open, exposed one like in pictures above.
 

snarling bee

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Bedfordshire
? what gear is that? There’s some right mixtures available! The mn and mg I used works out at about £6/ha
Advance and Peloton, separately and together. The deal is I will pay the supplier 50% of yield increase according to my weighbridge and crop price. My only cost is spraying (and tears because I didn't do it all, or smugness in that I told you it wouldn't work.)
 

Brisel

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Midlands
WHY OH WHY does every new product promise '0.3 t/ha yield response' ???.

New fungicides, PGRs, magic nutrient mixes: never 0.2, 0.5, 1.5, 0.6, always 0.3.

There must be a universal template somewhere.

There's also a wise, experienced & knowledgeable person at NIAB TAG who has been trialling these for years with no consistent statistically significant responses. Perhaps I should listen him more often... :notworthy:
 

Northern territory

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Thought our barleys had good potential but starting to look thinner and starved. Regular root crops grazed by sheep on this land too. Going round with mn. Magflo and a drop of fungicide at moment.
 

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
The only thing much different is the lack of water to get N into crops isn't it?

We cant do anything about the lack of rainfall, but we can try to stop a crop from losing all of its potential, hence why the thread is about 'foliar feeding'.
Whether it's worth the effort and expense is the big question...
 

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