Welger vs McHale

glasshouse · Jun 9, 2020

Does the fixed chamber mchale not do a soft centre?

Boohoo · Jun 9, 2020

balerman said:
Can only be differences in density settings if the chambers are the same size.

The spec sheets say the chambers are the same size but I can't see how they can be when you see the bales stacked together.
I'll get pictures the next day the MF, that has replaced the Lely, breaks down. It happened today but the MF didn't manage to make a bale.

KB6930 · Jun 9, 2020

glasshouse said:
Does the fixed chamber mchale not do a soft centre?

Yes same as all fixed chamber balers do

glasshouse · Jun 9, 2020

KB6930 said:
Yes same as all fixed chamber balers do

Are the fusions all fixed?

KB6930 · Jun 9, 2020

glasshouse said:
Are the fusions all fixed?

No they do a variable chamber as well but steer well clear. @Mickeymatbro

glasshouse · Jun 9, 2020

KB6930 said:
No they do a variable chamber as well but steer well clear. @Mickeymatbro

Is it no good?

KB6930 · Jun 9, 2020

glasshouse said:
Is it no good?

good wrapper and netter

v8willy · Jun 9, 2020

Boohoo said:
The spec sheets say the chambers are the same size but I can't see how they can be when you see the bales stacked together.
I'll get pictures the next day the MF, that has replaced the Lely, breaks down. It happened today but the MF didn't manage to make a bale.

Our Fusion bales stacked end on end in a shed beside bales from a 255 Claas & ours about an inch wider in straw, just as you say.

Fragonard · Jun 9, 2020

Boohoo said:
Can only comment on fixed chamber, combi balers. The Fusion 3 I drive won the heaviest bale competition at a grassland demonstration and having seen the bales out of it in the same stack as Lely Tornado bales it was clear to see that the Fusion makes a bigger bale. That Lely has now been replaced by an MF and I've heard a few comments about small bales but haven't seen then alongside Fusion bales yet.

The McHale bale in the competition was heavier, but it was probably a bit bigger also. Or would a well serviced McHale keep the back door shut under pressure?

Wellytrack · Jun 9, 2020

I’ve heard it said a Welger will put the same amount in a bale as a McHale but the bale is smaller and tighter due to the hooks.

I can’t say so myself, it may be true or it may not be, I’ve not compared it, I did bale in a field with a Krone and Welger on the same day and crop and the McHale was the heaviest bale though.

Still, who knows, it’s all speculation until the variables are evened up.

Happy · Jun 9, 2020

icanshootwell said:
Been using a mchale since 2013, no breakdowns but maintained very well, they are a strong baler. For me to go to another brand would be down to dealer krone or kuhn is the only choice, 2nd hand though, you have no trouble moving a mchale on, harder to shift a kuhn on 8 years down the road.

Same here, got a 2011 F5500 so one of the very first.
Probably tempting fate but on its 9th season now and never had to call dealer out to it.
It just works which was quite a novelty to begin with after previous 4 rollants.
Can’t see me looking very hard at anything else when it’s time to change.

Boohoo · Jun 9, 2020

Fragonard said:
The McHale bale in the competition was heavier, but it was probably a bit bigger also. Or would a well serviced McHale keep the back door shut under pressure?

The door will creep open a bit but it's not an issue. I'd rather have that than hinges and catches breaking.

glasshouse · Jun 9, 2020

Happy said:
Same here, got a 2011 F5500 so one of the very first.
Probably tempting fate but on its 9th season now and never had to call dealer out to it.
It just works which was quite a novelty to begin with after previous 4 rollants.
Can’t see me looking very hard at anything else when it’s time to change.

What was problem with rollants?

Fragonard · Jun 9, 2020

balerman said:
Can only be differences in density settings if the chambers are the same size.

If the door opens even a small amount, it'll add a bit to the diameter of the bale, which will lead to bigger and fewer bales?

Happy · Jun 9, 2020

glasshouse said:
What was problem with rollants?

Mostly temperamental net wrapping system. Seldom see one working without the top hood up in the air as operators are in and out of cab so regular dealing with them.
Would also start having bearing/roller/pickup reel failures long before year 9.

New ones may be better now but got fed up waiting on the improvements.
Baler design seemed to get forgotten about compared to attention they gave combines and foragers.

livestock 1 · Jun 9, 2020

Chae1 said:
McHale belted baler is/was far superior to Welger. I had 3 welger rbelt balers before my McHale. Put 90k bales total through welgers. The v660 that replaced last 1 is a far superior machine. That was 2011 I bought McHale and still got it at 45k bales. I used to feel welgers were costing me money at around 30k bales and punted them.

Both McHale and welger will have changed a lot in 9 years so my experience is historic!

I was doing a fair bit of Contracting before I bought McHale and baling a lot of wet $hite for customers.

The McHale was like somebody had spoken to me about all worst points of a welger and sorted them on McHale.

The McHale was basically a copy after all.

How many times did you wear through the back door?

Chae1 · Jun 9, 2020

livestock 1 said:
How many times did you wear through the back door?

Never done that.

BDBed · Jun 9, 2020

KB6930 said:
No they do a variable chamber as well but steer well clear. @Mickeymatbro

no complaints with mine at the moment.

livestock 1 · Jun 9, 2020

Chae1 said:
Never done that.

Usually they start to wear though after 30k plus bales

Chae1 · Jun 9, 2020

livestock 1 said:
Usually they start to wear though after 30k plus bales

I traded mine in at around that bale count.

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