Vredo direct drill

Bob the beef · Jun 20, 2020

Anyone any experience of these drills for drilling brassicas into burnt down grassland and redrilling grass ?
Don’t know of any in this part of the world so no experience at all

Derrick Hughes · Jun 20, 2020

Looks ok

Zebbedee · Jun 20, 2020

Had a demo of one into grass thought it did a good job but grass never grew didn’t buy it canna beat the Plough for grass

wr. · Jun 20, 2020

Local contractor, Nigel Clifton has one and does excellent work with it. He's keen as mustard and has been direct drilling for many years and rates it highly. Success depends on the operator's attention to detail. The depth of the seed is critical.

Pistonbroke · Jun 20, 2020

wr. said:
Local contractor, Nigel Clifton has one and does excellent work with it. He's keen as mustard and has been direct drilling for many years and rates it highly. Success depends on the operator's attention to detail. The depth of the seed is critical.

Two vredos close to me and more hit and miss than Nigel but they aren't as fussy preparing the field. He has done a lot over the years and knows the way to improve results regardless which drill

Bob the beef · Jun 21, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
Looks ok

Looking at the video it would appear to be rigid across the width, like a Moore. Really undulating ground round here and tried a Moore before and one side of the drill could be drilling at 40 mm depth and the other side blowing seed onto the surface

Derrick Hughes · Jun 21, 2020

Bob the beef said:
Looking at the video it would appear to be rigid across the width, like a Moore. Really undulating ground round here and tried a Moore before and one side of the drill could be drilling at 40 mm depth and the other side blowing seed onto the surface

You must not put grass seed in to deep, so I would imagine critical on unlevel ground

Rob Holmes · Jun 21, 2020

We’ve just bought one, any tips gratefully received

Derrick Hughes · Jun 21, 2020

Rob Holmes said:
We’ve just bought one, any tips gratefully received

If your going out contracting, get good advice off those who know and dont deviate, seen to many cock ups by those who dont , sorry if I sound like a headmaster, but an Irish guy who really knows his stuff and I have a lot of respect for said only yesterday, there is not such thing as a bad drill just bad operators following bad advice

jondear · Jun 21, 2020

I know someone local has one tempted to try .Also has a front Harrow on linkage.How would it compare to sim Tec .Used one with mixed results . Very weather dependent!

Rob Holmes · Jun 21, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
If your going out contracting, get good advice off those who know and dont deviate, seen to many cock ups by those who dont , sorry if I sound like a headmaster, but an Irish guy who really knows his stuff and I have a lot of respect for said only yesterday, there is not such thing as a bad drill just bad operators following bad advice

Planning to mainly use it for ourselves to get to know it first, then maybe go contracting in the future?

Derrick Hughes · Jun 21, 2020

Rob Holmes said:
Planning to mainly use it for ourselves to get to know it first, then maybe go contracting in the future?

What are you planning to drill and what's your system ?
Your eyes will tell you a lot , surprising what you can learn by looking over the hedge . I have weekend trips looking at my list of fields. Mr nosey parker on wheels

Derrick Hughes · Jun 21, 2020

jondear said:
I know someone local has one tempted to try .Also has a front Harrow on linkage.How would it compare to sim Tec .Used one with mixed results . Very weather dependent!

Is not any form if grass seeding weather depended .in theory direct drilling should cope a lot better with dry condition which says it me some are doing something seriously wrong . They are not following guidelines , but like the op I am just a man with L plates
We are working in conjunction with Hurrels seeds and a major drill company , doing trails on my farm trying different methods , hopefully then I can pass the advice in to my customers

Suckndiesel · Jun 21, 2020

Bob the beef said:
Looking at the video it would appear to be rigid across the width, like a Moore. Really undulating ground round here and tried a Moore before and one side of the drill could be drilling at 40 mm depth and the other side blowing seed onto the surface

Know nothing about the vredo, but have an aitchison here, always double drill when reseeding with it here to ensure the undulating bits are done

Pistonbroke · Jun 21, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
Is not any form if grass seeding weather depended .in theory direct drilling should cope a lot better with dry condition which says it me some are doing something seriously wrong . They are not following guidelines , but like the op I am just a man with L plates
We are working in conjunction with Hurrels seeds and a major drill company , doing trails on my farm trying different methods , hopefully then I can pass the advice in to my customers

Nigel Clifton as mentioned in a post above has been contract drilling for many years and has tried all the different types but has had two or three vredos now and sticking with it so a good advert.

Derrick Hughes · Jun 21, 2020

I suspect it's like comparing a Vicon Wagtail to as Expensive Air Seeding Harrow when convetional seeding . Both do identical jobs in the same conditions
If I used a Wagtail and we had a drought it would nit make the Wagtail a poor machine

hally · Jun 21, 2020

We bought a one a few years ago but couldn’t get away with it at all so got rid. We have been DD for 25years so have a bit of experiance. The problems we had was it needs perfect conditions to operate, if very dry it isn’t heavy enough to penetrate 38 discs and if it’s too wet because the discs aren’t staggered it picks up mud and sods and bulldozes. We ran into problems also in stubbles as small stones will wedge in between the discs ( again as there is no room for them to pass through the drill ) stopping them turning and again bulldozes. The final straw was following a guy on a fairly big job on a dairy farm who was spiking the ground with an arerator, again flicking up small stones and blocking the drill, we tried stone guards and various modifications of the drill but to no avail.
Luckily the main importer, after we sent photos of our issues was very good and agreed to return our money ( circa 26k ) and return our trade in Unidrill which went back to the last few jobs we did and instantly sorted out the problems. I think we offered to give them something for the hire of the machine as a goodwill gesture but they declined, so full praise for the dealer.
The vredo does have some ground following but like the new unidrill it is very small and again unless you are on perfectly flat going, is not enough.We are currently running a 32 row Erth which has individually hung gangs of discs while not perfect is considerably better at ground following than the other two. However I do miss some functions of my old unidrill such as more accurate seed depth indicators, warning buzzer if you forget to turn on the fan and easier calibration but overall with greasable bearings and a local dealer the Erth is the best package for us, no regrets. Drilling turnips yesterday into burnt off pp it made a perfect job as we finally have had a nice bit of rain.

Dave6170 · Jun 21, 2020

We did 1 field with a vredo a few years ago and it worked good. The field was ploughed the year before for grass and rape then permanent grass with the vredo the next year.
Would of liked to have tried it more but contractor sold it.

hally · Jun 21, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
You must not put grass seed in to deep, so I would imagine critical on unlevel ground

Moore went backwards on their last drill, previous models had total ground following with the press wheel as a depth guide, new ones just hang from a solid 3m beam. Old ones could drill rig and furrow no bother new ones can’t, but cost comes into these things as Moore buy in almost all the components including hoppers and frames. Ungreasable bearing been a nightmare here in the past another cost cut but I gather Moore have sold out to Agrilinc.

hally · Jun 21, 2020

Dave6170 said:
We did 1 field with a vredo a few years ago and it worked good. The field was ploughed the year before for grass and rape then permanent grass with the vredo the next year.
Would of liked to have tried it more but contractor sold it.

Did you ever ask him why?

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