Blood sucking ahdb

Highland Mule · Sep 12, 2020

White rabbit said:
Do you know highland mule you are quick to criticise I wonder if you have ever challenged anything even you thought it wrong.

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White rabbit · Sep 12, 2020

Goweresque said:
Why? If you base levies on profit that effectively means the profitable subsidise the unprofitable. Plus of course profit is a very moveable feast. Do you base it on accounting profit or taxable profit? Big difference. Why should two farmers who produce exactly the same amount of output pay different amounts of levy? If The AHDB are doing the job they say they do and increasing demand and prices for products both will benefit equally. So why shouldn't they pay in equally?

Plus it would be very easy to game. Farmer A makes £25k profit and pays his levy based on that. Farmer B makes the same underlying profit but pays his wife a £25k salary as 'Farm administrator' , and pays no levy. Farmer C runs his business as a company and pays himself all the profits as salary and pays no levy. And of course many farms have non-farming streams of income nowadays, so you'd have to extract that from the accounts, otherwise the person who runs a camp site or some small industrial units on their farm would have to pay extra AHDB levies based on the profits from that.

Turnover is easy to calculate and very hard to game. Profit is very hard to calculate in a manner that compares like with like, and is very easy to game.
[/The system is unfair which ever way you look at it,farmer A owns his farm his turnover is half a million (profit £50,000)farmer b is a tenant farmer also half million turnover (profit £25,000) lets just rid ourselves of all this nonsense if you need advice pay for it ,if you came over to holland with me it's a completely different ball game over there they don't need somebody to hold their hand and in most cases certainly not someone who can only farm on a blackboard,

Henarar · Sep 12, 2020

Goweresque said:
Why? If you base levies on profit that effectively means the profitable subsidise the unprofitable. Plus of course profit is a very moveable feast. Do you base it on accounting profit or taxable profit? Big difference. Why should two farmers who produce exactly the same amount of output pay different amounts of levy? If The AHDB are doing the job they say they do and increasing demand and prices for products both will benefit equally. So why shouldn't they pay in equally?

Plus it would be very easy to game. Farmer A makes £25k profit and pays his levy based on that. Farmer B makes the same underlying profit but pays his wife a £25k salary as 'Farm administrator' , and pays no levy. Farmer C runs his business as a company and pays himself all the profits as salary and pays no levy. And of course many farms have non-farming streams of income nowadays, so you'd have to extract that from the accounts, otherwise the person who runs a camp site or some small industrial units on their farm would have to pay extra AHDB levies based on the profits from that.

Turnover is easy to calculate and very hard to game. Profit is very hard to calculate in a manner that compares like with like, and is very easy to game.

I don't think they should be based on TO or profit

Henarar · Sep 12, 2020

they are not based on TO or profit in other sectors are they ?

Highland Mule · Sep 12, 2020

Henarar said:
they are not based on TO or profit in other sectors are they ?

Pretty much based on turnover, as are levied against output at roughly similar percentages (lamb a bit more, milk a bit less, based on my estimates).

Henarar · Sep 12, 2020

Not based on turnover at all as far as I can see
Anyway the main reason I don't think they should be based on TO is that its nobody else's fecking business

Highland Mule · Sep 12, 2020

Henarar said:
Not based on turnover at all as far as I can see
Anyway the main reason I don't think they should be based on TO is that its nobody else's fecking business

Tricky to find a way that’s not open to abuse if it’s not got some connection to production though. What would you suggest, if not output related?

White rabbit · Sep 12, 2020

Highland Mule said:
Tricky to find a way that’s not open to abuse if it’s not got some connection to production though. What would you suggest, if not output related?

Which bit of get rid of it don't you understand highland mule

Highland Mule · Sep 12, 2020

White rabbit said:
Which bit of get rid of it don't you understand highland mule

The question was directed at someone else. We all know you’re bitter and see no value in AHDB, but plenty others see value from what they do.

White rabbit · Sep 12, 2020

Highland Mule said:
The question was directed at someone else. We all know you’re bitter and see no value in AHDB, but plenty others see value from what they do.

Not in potato and horticultural sector they don't.

Highland Mule · Sep 12, 2020

White rabbit said:
Not in potato and horticultural sector they don't.

Some will. Whether there’s a majority or not is way beyond both our understanding. Only the bitter will have contacted you - plenty will be quietly working away.

Henarar · Sep 12, 2020

Highland Mule said:
Tricky to find a way that’s not open to abuse if it’s not got some connection to production though. What would you suggest, if not output related?

well other sectors are output based, so much per lamb, so much per ton why not so much per cabbage ?

White rabbit · Sep 12, 2020

Highland Mule said:
Some will. Whether there’s a majority or not is way beyond both our understanding. Only the bitter will have contacted you - plenty will be quietly working away.

Well if they were in favour they should have said so they had a chance.so far out of 81 replies not one is in favour of keeping them.When they had the review only o.45% responded about 900 of which 129 were from our sector ,When will your so called silent levy payers start to make themselves known because that's a review and a poll they missed.

Henarar · Sep 12, 2020

White rabbit said:
Not in potato and horticultural sector they don't.

you have asked everyone that grows and sells veg or spuds have you ?

White rabbit · Sep 12, 2020

Henarar said:
you have asked everyone that grows and sells veg or spuds have you ?

Well ahdb thought that 0.45 % was enough of a mandate to carry on so obviously you don't need to ask everyone.

Henarar · Sep 12, 2020

White rabbit said:
Well ahdb thought that 0.45 % was enough of a mandate to carry on so obviously you don't need to ask everyone.

You do to truthful make the statement you did above

Goweresque · Sep 12, 2020

Henarar said:
well other sectors are output based, so much per lamb, so much per ton why not so much per cabbage ?

Because veg producers produce lots of different products. Keeping tabs on them all would be far more work than just totting up all the sales. A beef farmer just sells beef animals, a cereal farmer sells tonnes of grain, and dairy farmer produces litres of milk. They're all fairly standard products, so a flat rate makes life easier for everyone.
Plus of course a flat rate for veg items would have @White rabbit even madder in a bad year when prices drop and the levy stays exactly the same...........................by linking the levy to turnover there is a slight link to profit, ie if prices crash through the floor the levy does drop too.

White rabbit · Sep 12, 2020

Henarar said:
You do to truthful make the statement you did above

Majority will do ,just noticed you said per ton for cabbage not many sold per ton it's per unit.

Highland Mule · Sep 12, 2020

White rabbit said:
just noticed you said per ton for cabbage

He didn’t. Have you a literacy problem to add to all your others?

Highland Mule · Sep 12, 2020

Henarar said:
You do to truthful make the statement you did above

Very little that he writes is truthful if you look carefully enough.

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