EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
You should leave the sinking ship quick, don't want to be on board with us English do you ducky
While the Welsh have little choice, I think you will find that the Scots and possibly the Northern Irish may well choose to abandon ship. Perhaps you haven't been following politics closely enough to recognise the gravity of your own post and its implications for the Union.
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
While the Welsh have little choice, I think you will find that the Scots and possibly the Northern Irish may well choose to abandon ship. Perhaps you haven't been following politics closely enough to recognise the gravity of your own post and its implications for the Union.
Every cloud ....
 

robs1

Member
Who the hell spends anything like that percentage of revenue on data protection? It's a nonsense figure.
Its probably as accurate as your claim a page or so back that the vast majority of our exports go to the EU. That is a lie, one no doubt you will not apologise for making yet you condemn Boris for his, in most peoples eyes that makes you a hypocrite
 

robs1

Member
While the Welsh have little choice, I think you will find that the Scots and possibly the Northern Irish may well choose to abandon ship. Perhaps you haven't been following politics closely enough to recognise the gravity of your own post and its implications for the Union.
So you think it's right the other countries can decide whether to stay in the UK but not for the UK to decide to leave the EU sounds like double standards again, you're on a roll today
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
While the Welsh have little choice, I think you will find that the Scots and possibly the Northern Irish may well choose to abandon ship. Perhaps you haven't been following politics closely enough to recognise the gravity of your own post and its implications for the Union.
up to you all what you want to do
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Its probably as accurate as your claim a page or so back that the vast majority of our exports go to the EU. That is a lie, one no doubt you will not apologise for making yet you condemn Boris for his, in most peoples eyes that makes you a hypocrite

43% of UK exports go to the EU. The rest are spread around many tens of other nations. That means that the majority of our exports go to one nation, the EU, with other nations taking a very significantly smaller proportion each.
The next biggest is the USA who take 15.5% of our exports and China at 6.4%. Other countries take less than 3.3% of our exports each, most a fraction of that.
 

Fast Farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Are you not being a bit harsh, especially as it's Battle of Britain day. Which IMO was a truly pivotal moment in WW2 not only by showing the Germans we were not going to be a pushover, but relaying that message over to the US where a great many influential politicians and business leaders thought the UK was finished and were looking to a future with Hitler instead.

Quite a few of the pilots in the Battle of Britain were polish, that fled after the invasion of Poland. 👍 and also the spitfire was renowned for stalling in mid air due to fuel starvation whilst diving 😨 You say pivotal I think lucky, thanks to the inventor of the radar system can't think of his name.... we were one step ahead
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
So you think it's right the other countries can decide whether to stay in the UK but not for the UK to decide to leave the EU sounds like double standards again, you're on a roll today

I am an internationalist not a nationalist. I believe that after religion, nationalism including English or British nationalism, is detrimental to all countries that espouse it and to most of the population of countries where a proportion of the population demand it. It is a modern form of tribalism that inevitably breeds conflict.
 

robs1

Member
43% of UK exports go to the EU. The rest are spread around many tens of other nations. That means that the majority of our exports go to one nation, the EU, with other nations taking a very significantly smaller proportion each.
The next biggest is the USA who take 15.5% of our exports and China at 6.4%. Other countries take less than 3.3% of our exports each, most a fraction of that.
So I was right you wont apologise for telling a lie.
You said "the vast majority" now when I went to school a majority was over 50% and a "vast majority" over 75%. You would make a good politician spin all you like you made it up.
So the the EU is a nation now, wow I thought the superstate was just a brexiteer lie, did I miss the vote where all the countries agreed to give up sovereignty
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
So I was right you wont apologise for telling a lie.
You said "the vast majority" now when I went to school a majority was over 50% and a "vast majority" over 75%. You would make a good politician spin all you like you made it up.
So the the EU is a nation now, wow I thought the superstate was just a brexiteer lie, did I miss the vote where all the countries agreed to give up sovereignty
Well if you can point to any mistake in those percentage figures, I'll check it out and amend as required. Is there any nation or trading block that takes more than the EU? Or even any three trading blocks or countries that even add up to anything like our exports to the EU?
Go ahead. I'll wait.
 

robs1

Member
Well if you can point to any mistake in those percentage figures, I'll check it out and amend as required. Is there any nation or trading block that takes more than the EU? Or even any three trading blocks or countries that even add up to anything like our exports to the EU?
Go ahead. I'll wait.
More twist and denial. One bit of advice when in a hole stop digging
 

Fast Farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
I am an internationalist not a nationalist. I believe that after religion, nationalism including English or British nationalism, is detrimental to all countries that espouse it and to most of the population of countries where a proportion of the population demand it. It is a modern form of tribalism that inevitably breeds conflict.

Human nature is conflict from day 1 and all ways will be, maybe not me or you but in general we all want to be better than the next person or people...

maybe it's best we give Wales, NI and Scotland referendums for independence once and for all, farms in Wales are different to England, farms in Scotland are different to NI etc etc hence why the EU doesn't work, you go to Greece and they can do what they hell they like, shot a pig with a 2.2 rifle hang it from an olive tree while tourists look on, do the same here and your put in prison.

I was in Greece last year and the local plod turn up at the local bar, have a couple of drinks and then drive off but were all in the EU.??? Can you imagine that happening here these days?
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
More twist and denial. One bit of advice when in a hole stop digging
I'm waiting for your [half sensible] reply. I've given you proper figures. You have given nothing. You are probably angry because it has become perfectly obvious that the Tories have dug the biggest hole in history for the UK and you can't yet come to terms with that, despite having been told so for two years or more. It's only recently become perfectly obvious to even the most blinkered advocate of brexit that you were sold a crock of shït. Where is that 'oven ready' deal? Where are all the financial advantages of leaving the EU? Where are all the trade opportunities that overwhelm those lost? What happened to 'negotiating from a position of strength'?
Fact is that the cost of administration on our borders and of exports and imports alone will add up to more than our annual net contribution to the EU.
But you won't accept any of that.

So do explain what the advantages are and what we actually gain in reality from this debacle? You've had three years to come up with a convincing answer, so let's hear it.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Human nature is conflict from day 1 and all ways will be, maybe not me or you but in general we all want to be better than the next person or people...

maybe it's best we give Wales, NI and Scotland referendums for independence once and for all, farms in Wales are different to England, farms in Scotland are different to NI etc etc hence why the EU doesn't work, you go to Greece and they can do what they hell they like, shot a pig with a 2.2 rifle hang it from an olive tree while tourists look on, do the same here and your put in prison.

I was in Greece last year and the local plod turn up at the local bar, have a couple of drinks and then drive off but were all in the EU.??? Can you imagine that happening here these days?
Yes, why not give Cornwall and every county in England the option of opting out of England and the UK while you are at it.

You can't blame the EU for what we are. Your two lines just there prove that each country has plenty of scope to do their own thing within the EU.
 

robs1

Member
I'm waiting for your [half sensible] reply. I've given you proper figures. You have given nothing. You are probably angry because it has become perfectly obvious that the Tories have dug the biggest hole in history for the UK and you can't yet come to terms with that, despite having been told so for two years or more. It's only recently become perfectly obvious to even the most blinkered advocate of brexit that you were sold a crock of shït. Where is that 'oven ready' deal? Where are all the financial advantages of leaving the EU? Where are all the trade opportunities that overwhelm those lost? What happened to 'negotiating from a position of strength'?
Fact is that the cost of administration on our borders and of exports and imports alone will add up to more than our annual net contribution to the EU.
But you won't accept any of that.

So do explain what the advantages are and what we actually gain in reality from this debacle? You've had three years to come up with a convincing answer, so let's hear it.
Oh dear
 

Fast Farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Yes, why not give Cornwall and every county in England the option of opting out of England and the UK while you are at it.

You can't blame the EU for what we are. Your two lines just there prove that each country has plenty of scope to do their own thing within the EU.

But the EU was set up to all be equal?? I don't know? One currency, same rules, free movement etc

My honest opinion, I'm happy for any county or country to be sovereign and independant.
 

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