Mules are still supreme

M-J-G · Sep 16, 2020

dogandstick said:
What I don’t get is that the buyers can’t see through the trimmed out necks, bloom and mega feeding. Can’t blame the breeders for supplying them though.

Clipping and colouring don't really need to be seen through, people aren't stupid.

As for feeding that's all relative and in the eye of the beholder, sheep that are grazed well on aftermath could be classed as fed up for sales compared to those on badly managed or upland grazing.
Plenty of people could take my rotationally grazed sheep and put them on rank seeded PP and they'd probably looses condition, does that make me a bad person for having them in a state where they could go backwards if management changes.

livestock 1 · Sep 16, 2020

M-J-G said:
Clipping and colouring don't really need to be seen through, people aren't stupid.

As for feeding that's all relative and in the eye of the beholder, sheep that are grazed well on aftermath could be classed as fed up for sales compared to those on badly managed or upland grazing.
Plenty of people could take my rotationally grazed sheep and put them on rank seeded PP and they'd probably looses condition, does that make me a bad person for having them in a state where they could go backwards if management changes.

They need to be clipped and coloured or you would be laughed out of the mart. They look so much different

Ysgythan · Sep 16, 2020

Anymulewilldo said:
Oh for the love of GOD!! That's really ruined my day altogether now!!!

there are Welsh Mule sales on the 8th and 13th. A lot of the white faced ones will have plenty of Cheviot blood in.

Ysgythan · Sep 16, 2020

livestock 1 said:
They nbd to be clipped and coloured or you would be laughed out of the mart. They look so much different

not true for me. The leading pens with the balls to be different would see a better trade. The guy who can’t be arsed to turn them out can’t be arsed at every stage of the process, generally speaking, and has poorer sheep. I can only talk about Builth, but if you see a pen of good sheep, poorly presented and think “right, there’s bang for the buck in them” and every other f**ker seems to have the same idea...

Ysgythan · Sep 16, 2020

Purli R said:
That"ll be the bit where you can claim bragging rights then? Well done to yourselves,credit to you.

come on then, let’s see it...

Downtrodden Dad · Sep 16, 2020

livestock 1 said:
How are these sheep cropping percentage wise and how do they compare for lambing ease and maternal instinct?

Scanned at 203%last year, defiantly less than mules which one year was 235%but I'm not upset about not having 200 pet lambs. We don't go for extreme types so lambing ease not much of a problem. I don't find maternal instinct too bad, I'm sure mules used to be better but maybe rose tinted spectacles in that respect.

Ysgythan · Sep 16, 2020

Downtrodden Dad said:
Scanned at 203%last year, defiantly less than mules which one year was 235%but I'm not upset about not having 200 pet lambs. We don't go for extreme types so lambing ease not much of a problem. I don't find maternal instinct too bad, I'm sure mules used to be better but maybe rose tinted spectacles in that respect.

if you keep the muley looking ones you can go three or four crosses without any bother.

livestock 1 · Sep 16, 2020

I have a fairly big number of mule ewes. I didn’t realise how heavy keep they are until a friend with Cheviot cross ewes made a comparison with me

Ysgythan · Sep 16, 2020

livestock 1 said:
I have a fairly big number of mule ewes. I didn’t realise how heavy keep they are until a friend with Cheviot cross ewes made a comparison with me

You’d be amazed at Holstein cattle...

livestock 1 · Sep 16, 2020

Ysgythan said:
You’d be amazed at Holstein cattle...

I think we’ve had them that long we don’t know any different

Ysgythan · Sep 16, 2020

livestock 1 said:
I think we’ve had them that long we don’t know any different

There are mules and mules. The Welsh mules aren’t as extreme. Plenty tend to get fat rather than huge with age.

Bob · Sep 16, 2020

yorkshire8 said:
I was there! The mules were cheap you could get good tupping lambs for less than £100 .
I got some more chev mules bought ave £103 .

Those £100 lambs would be small for tupping

Skintagain · Sep 16, 2020

Bob said:
Those £100 lambs would be small for tupping

Bold statement bob

Greythundercloudys · Sep 16, 2020

Was it just sheer number that held the trade, as said 100 £ lambs arent just strong enough for the tup, but to expensive to run on.

M-J-G · Sep 16, 2020

Greythundercloudys said:
Was it just sheer number that held the trade, as said 100 £ lambs arent just strong enough for the tup, but to expensive to run on.

If you're selling gimmers at £170 replacement lambs at £100 aren't so bad.

Nithsdale · Sep 16, 2020

M-J-G said:
If you're selling gimmers at £170 replacement lambs at £100 aren't so bad.

A lot of runners buy at the first sales, not the 2nd. Ewe lamb averages were nearer £130.

As usual, this time next year, these boys will be moaning about the kicking they've just taken on this year's lambs because of the guaranteed drop in trade next year

Anymulewilldo · Sep 16, 2020

Nithsdale Farmer said:
A lot of runners buy at the first sales, not the 2nd. Ewe lamb averages were nearer £130.

As usual, this time next year, these boys will be moaning about the kicking they've just taken on this year's lambs because of the guaranteed drop in trade next year

Shhhhh, you aren't allowed too say that... it's true but you still can't tell people!

Ysgythan · Sep 16, 2020

They’d find something else to moan about.

M-J-G · Sep 16, 2020

Nithsdale Farmer said:
A lot of runners buy at the first sales, not the 2nd. Ewe lamb averages were nearer £130.

As usual, this time next year, these boys will be moaning about the kicking they've just taken on this year's lambs because of the guaranteed drop in trade next year

I see no point in spending 130 quid on a sheep that has a year with nothing to do.
When I used to run hammering lambs I used to buy late lambs.

If gimmers are back next year so will lambs so they'll be fine, they should be used to the game by now.

DB67 · Sep 16, 2020

Guys selling gimmers at £170-£180 were spending £75-£90 on good gimmering lambs last year. I’m glad they got a good go this year but it wasn’t as fun selling these good lambs last year!

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