Triton direct seed drill

Alistair Nelson · Sep 15, 2020

Clive said:
the tine seems a good design , the rest leaves a lot to be desired frankly

as others jave mentioned if they sold the tine to retro fit they would do well

Yes having watched that video that is very impressive and read lee’s experiences it shows the principles are spot on And based like all the best things on simple common sense. it just so unfortunate that the above ground engineering and marketing is so aweful and they won’t sell the components which are the clever bit for others to incorporate in machines etc which when they are not serious drill developers like a Horsch or even on a smaller scale a weaving or sumo they’d be better doing as having read this thread alone there’d be a few from here who would have a crack with them like myself but no way could I bring myself to buy a complete machine

Fuzzy · Sep 15, 2020

Robert said:
This is what i had in mind, not just for covers but also for cutting stubble very high so that there's not a wet mat of straw prior to planting. What sort of topper design would you envisage? - I'm wondering whether a rear roller model would cause problems such that one with just depth wheels would be better for the less than ideal conditions when this concept is likely to be working? Also any thoughts on soil throw into the next pass upsetting topper?

I have been drilling into cover crops in the last week with a front mounted flail and a direct tine drill.....the moisture in the bottom of the green cover crop does give issues with mud on the rear roller of the flail and soil throw (and/or stones) so the mower needs setting higher. The issue with fitting wheels is possible compaction of the damp soil !!!

Adeptandy · Sep 15, 2020

I think the concept of the leg negates a roller/press on the back, it is a 1 trick pony, if its wet, it will put seed in the ground.

yellowbelly · Sep 15, 2020

Adeptandy said:
if its wet, it will put seed in the ground.

.......and, just as importantly, cover it up too.

warksfarmer · Sep 16, 2020

I’ll be honest I’m not sure why there’s a view they ought to sell the tine design and configuration. They’ve got something very clever and protected it with a patent. Lots of machinery manufacturers I’m sure over the years have held patents for clever ideas.

Also if you look at the tine which is what it’s all about let’s face it, it’s got to have ground clearance which puts the frame a lot higher that something like a vaderstad or horsch, so it’s always going to look different to what has become the norm.

If they start covering it in fancy panelling to make it aesthetically pleasing the price will shoot up. Presently they are about the cheapest on the market from what I can make out.

You can use which ever front tank you want so you don’t need a weaving if you don’t like it. There’s others available such as Horsch which looks a smart bit of kit but I’m sure far more than the cost of the weaving at £8,600.

How much is a 3m Claydon? Mzuri? JD750a, Avatar?

warksfarmer · Sep 16, 2020

Robert said:
This is what i had in mind, not just for covers but also for cutting stubble very high so that there's not a wet mat of straw prior to planting. What sort of topper design would you envisage? - I'm wondering whether a rear roller model would cause problems such that one with just depth wheels would be better for the less than ideal conditions when this concept is likely to be working? Also any thoughts on soil throw into the next pass upsetting topper?

All things to consider.

goodevans · Sep 16, 2020

warksfarmer said:
I’ll be honest I’m not sure why there’s a view they ought to sell the tine design and configuration. They’ve got something very clever and protected it with a patent. Lots of machinery manufacturers I’m sure over the years have held patents for clever ideas.

Also if you look at the tine which is what it’s all about let’s face it, it’s got to have ground clearance which puts the frame a lot higher that something like a vaderstad or horsch, so it’s always going to look different to what has become the norm.

If they start covering it in fancy panelling to make it aesthetically pleasing the price will shoot up. Presently they are about the cheapest on the market from what I can make out.

You can use which ever front tank you want so you don’t need a weaving if you don’t like it. There’s others available such as Horsch which looks a smart bit of kit but I’m sure far more than the cost of the weaving at £8,600.

How much is a 3m Claydon? Mzuri? JD750a, Avatar?

Howard springs to mind,does it leave the terrace if the ground is dry or does the soil need to be so wet to work

nick... · Sep 16, 2020

I’m amazed at the cost of all these drills which are essentially a hopper on top a cultivator.wish someone made a poverty spec machine with pto fan and hydraulic markers and a wheel that delivers seed instead of electric motors .im sure there are very few buyers who use all the features like variable seed rate either.
Nick...

Robt · Sep 16, 2020

nick... said:
I’m amazed at the cost of all these drills which are essentially a hopper on top a cultivator.wish someone made a poverty spec machine with pto fan and hydraulic markers that work the tramlines.im sure there are very few buyers who use all the features like variable seed rate either.
Nick...

Hi Nick, Id say 90% of those i know who buy min or zero till drills are doing VRA. Have you looked at Simtech? local ish to you too

nick... · Sep 16, 2020

Robt said:
Hi Nick, Id say 90% of those i know who buy min or zero till drills are doing VRA. Have you looked at Simtech? local ish to you too

I did last year and hoped to see them working along with a lot of other direct drills.maybe I’ll have to contact every one again this year to see if I can see machines working.only seen Claydon working and that was on sumoed beet land so hardly a challenge for it.
nick...

Clive · Sep 16, 2020

warksfarmer said:
I’ll be honest I’m not sure why there’s a view they ought to sell the tine design and configuration. They’ve got something very clever and protected it with a patent. Lots of machinery manufacturers I’m sure over the years have held patents for clever ideas.

Also if you look at the tine which is what it’s all about let’s face it, it’s got to have ground clearance which puts the frame a lot higher that something like a vaderstad or horsch, so it’s always going to look different to what has become the norm.

If they start covering it in fancy panelling to make it aesthetically pleasing the price will shoot up. Presently they are about the cheapest on the market from what I can make out.

You can use which ever front tank you want so you don’t need a weaving if you don’t like it. There’s others available such as Horsch which looks a smart bit of kit but I’m sure far more than the cost of the weaving at £8,600.

How much is a 3m Claydon? Mzuri? JD750a, Avatar?

it wold be interesting to see the patent - it's notorious hard (and crazy expensive) to protect a tine design or a drilling principle, juts ask Jeff Claydon or John Baker !

If it works well and there is a market it will get copied so easier to just sell them so no-one bothers doing so

As @Alistair Nelson says the frames are horribly made, sh!t welding and very "blacksmith" frame design on the one I saw and VERY expensive for what it is, you could get a 3m frame like that built for very little and to a MUCH higher standard by most local fabricators

The tine is the good bit and they could seriously capitalise on that if they sold it to mainstream volume drill manufactures to fit ........ that's what i would do if it was my design anyway

warksfarmer · Sep 17, 2020

Clive said:
it wold be interesting to see the patent - it's notorious hard (and crazy expensive) to protect a tine design or a drilling principle, juts ask Jeff Claydon or John Baker !

If it works well and there is a market it will get copied so easier to just sell them so no-one bothers doing so

As @Alistair Nelson says the frames are horribly made, sh!t welding and very "blacksmith" frame design on the one I saw and VERY expensive for what it is, you could get a 3m frame like that built for very little and to a MUCH higher standard by most local fabricators

The tine is the good bit and they could seriously capitalise on that if they sold it to mainstream volume drill manufactures to fit ........ that's what i would do if it was my design anyway

The drills are made well. Welds all good and on par with any mainstream manufacturer. I wouldn’t of bought it if it was poorly made. And it’s far cheaper than anything else on the market.

warksfarmer · Sep 17, 2020

JD6920s said:
Do you have any close up pics or even a video of it working as I’ve heard about the slot closing ability but never actually seen how it’s done?

I’ve just slightly lifted it out of the ground so you can see a bit clearer but basically the rear tine covers what the seeding tine opens up. Output is decent at 3ha/hour and I’m only doing 10km/hr as this fields got stones.
The video is a bit shaky but hopefully it’ll show you something.

Warp Land Farmer · Sep 17, 2020

I would suggest that Triton are making a very tidy sum out of their drill frame and coulter. It would be very easy / £economical fabrication and without all the technical cost associated with the seed hopper / calibration / metering system they will be laughing all the way to the bank on every one sold.

Robert · Sep 17, 2020

Fuzzy said:
I have been drilling into cover crops in the last week with a front mounted flail and a direct tine drill.....the moisture in the bottom of the green cover crop does give issues with mud on the rear roller of the flail and soil throw (and/or stones) so the mower needs setting higher. The issue with fitting wheels is possible compaction of the damp soil !!!

Thanks. What make and exact size of topper and drill please?

yellowbelly · Sep 17, 2020

Warp Land Farmer said:
I would suggest that Triton are making a very tidy sum out of their drill frame and coulter. It would be very easy / £economical fabrication and without all the technical cost associated with the seed hopper / calibration / metering system they will be laughing all the way to the bank on every one sold.

But surely that's just the way of the world?

The price of most machinery bears little resemblance to the actual cost to build it.

If manufacturers have something that customers want, the price is pitched at the highest price they think that the market will pay.

Robert · Sep 17, 2020

warksfarmer said:
I’ve just slightly lifted it out of the ground so you can see a bit clearer but basically the rear tine covers what the seeding tine opens up. Output is decent at 3ha/hour and I’m only doing 10km/hr as this fields got stones.

Would it be fair to say that anything other than perfectly chopped straw and short stubble would be an issue due to the closeness of the clever firming tines ?

warksfarmer · Sep 17, 2020

Warp Land Farmer said:
I would suggest that Triton are making a very tidy sum out of their drill frame and coulter. It would be very easy / £economical fabrication and without all the technical cost associated with the seed hopper / calibration / metering system they will be laughing all the way to the bank on every one sold.

I hope they are - it was their idea after all!
It’s still the cheapest drill on the market and nobody has answered my question about prices of claydon, mzuri, jd, horsch etc.

warksfarmer · Sep 17, 2020

Robert said:
Would it be fair to say that anything other than perfectly chopped straw and short stubble would be an issue due to the closeness of the clever firming tines ?

Not quite but it won’t go direct into covers that are say 12 inches and over. It’s not a replacement for a disc drill if that’s what your using.
Chopped straw won’t stop it because I drilled through some straw swaths a few weeks ago. Not 2t/ac swaths but around 1t/ac ish. It blocked up a few times but was a one off so I perservered.

Clive · Sep 17, 2020

warksfarmer said:
The drills are made well. Welds all good and on par with any mainstream manufacturer. I wouldn’t of bought it if it was poorly made. And it’s far cheaper than anything else on the market.

must have improved since the one i looked at which was very poor - to be fair that was a couple years ago now

19k is a lot of money for a 3m frame witn a few tines hanging off it IMO can’t compare directly to other 3m drills as you need a hopper on top of the price

what would a basic spec 3m claydon cost these days ?

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