Mr Jones
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Is the Covid19 hype now media driven???
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Chopsy Varmint
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If they are going to force vaccination they should accept the results of a titre test as an alternative as I expect a great many people have had enough mild exposure to cv19 to be able to show an immune response.
I'd put money on this is what's currently happening in Sweden with 20 cases per 100,000 compared to 59 cases per 100,000 in the UK, according to some bloke on Radio 4 earlier. Fingers crossed we're just behind in developing the 'mythical' herd immunity.
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Why mythical? It's nature. Happens all the time.
Chopsy Varmint
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Sorry, I was being sarcastic and I totally agree (have now put doodads around 'mythical' in my post to make it clear), but we were told back in the lockdown that herd immunity wouldn't be possible. However, here's a very interesting comparison for Sweden, France and Spain that I've just found:
Sorry, didn't get the irony. It's funny that this was our PM's first plan but it got taken over by someone. It may be harsh but when a virus like this emerges, it's probably better to let it rip through. It's possible to shield people. I did with my Dad who is 84 with kidney probs. So we did all we could to keep him safe and he's fine as of today. No doubt this was a nasty one but it's fading now and their second spike won't happen in my opinion unless they massage the stats even more than they have already.
Personally, I have never worn a mask and have no fear of this bug. I think I probably had it in Jan and it was not good but that's life. My new normal is going to be the same as the old one.
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Yeah but remember Sweden is nothing like the U.K they all are evenly spread out across the Country only occasionally meeting another human being on the odd trip across the tundra. Interestingly your graphs shows deaths being higher than positive cases early on which means you didn't even need to have caught it to die from it. This must be what Boris is working from.
Chopsy Varmint
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Having lived there, I figured it was to do with all those pine and spruce trees everywhere since toilet disinfectant is pine-scented so the real trees have got to be good for germy bugs. Seems as good a theory as any.
Ah, I assumed that their community testing programme wasn't up and running but they were testing corpses. Both France and Spain had more deaths than recorded cases but their spikes were concurrent.
Without widespread testing it's hard to compare deaths to postive results because all the asymptomatic or untested positives get missed out of the statistics. However the overall picture is that Sweden's numbers of both deaths and cases are dropping with minimal lockdown measures.
Chopsy Varmint
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I think the msm stirred up panic and got the government to follow the 'correct' course for the nwo. I have no idea who owns or is influential behind the msm in Sweden but it might be interesting to find out.
My new normal is the same as the old one because outside of work I am an anti-social misanthrope.
Im fairly sure you are correct and anyone not taking the vaccine will be stripped of rights. Right to travel, attend sports events, enter public buildings.
Hope im wrong but thats my feeling to
It's already happening in Italy. Try boarding a plane to Milan without your 'papers' confirming a negative test. Plus, all these healthy people still have to wear masks. It's coming. They are taking our freedom away.
Considering half never know they have it and most of the rest will experience a mild cold you really have to wonder what the hell is going on
Yeah, but you still need to comply and have your papers..........echoes of the past.
kiwi pom
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I've been pretty consistent saying , people need to take sensible precautions (at all times, not just covid) don't mix with others unless you need to but get back to work, carry on with your life and keep the world turning. I also think some governments are starting to like the power they hold over their minions.
However if this thread is going down the "vaccines are just a plan for world domination, it's just a big conspiracy, they're not poisoning me" etc, then I'm afraid I'm out.
However if this thread is going down the "vaccines are just a plan for world domination, it's just a big conspiracy, they're not poisoning me" etc, then I'm afraid I'm out.
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I'm in the sensible Sweden camp. Definitely not in the antivax conspiracy camp.
I briefly hypothesised that perhaps Covid had finished off lots of the vulnerable hosts in the spring anyway, and there could be less now. That was until I looked up the numbers. There were some 12 million Brits in the over 65 category in 2018. So there must be a heck of a lot of Covid fodder left yet.
I briefly hypothesised that perhaps Covid had finished off lots of the vulnerable hosts in the spring anyway, and there could be less now. That was until I looked up the numbers. There were some 12 million Brits in the over 65 category in 2018. So there must be a heck of a lot of Covid fodder left yet.
Talking of conspiracy theories.
I made a thread here ages saying this was the time to push through photo id. As proof of vaccination of course
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You need to read the graph properly. The Y axis has two scales - red on one side (for the red line) and blue on the other (for the blue line).
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Early on as I said looks like more deaths than cases ( especially Sweden) as time goes on you start to see a differential obviously at the start the only test would be when you turned up at hospital. However whilst meant sarcastically it's obvious that you Cannot compare infections then to now. Now there is a lot more testing, then you could easily be infected but put the symptoms down to flu or a heavy cold or not even know.
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If that’s what it takes to get things moving I am all for that. However a book of revelations type mark on the forehead is probably easier to see.
The media do have alot to account for in this, and should be made accountable for spreading alot of fear amongst the population.
Yes there is a virus that has killed innocent people, but those numbers are still relatively low. When the beast from the east hit in 2018 55000 people died of the flu that winter.on average every year around 35000 die of the flu, so in 2018 where was the media when all those people were dieing.
On average around 1700 people a day die in the UK from all sorts of scenarios. It is a fact of life from the day we are born the clock is ticking and life is dangerous but that doesn't stop us from living and enjoying life.
This covid virus and the media shambles that has spread fear across alot of the population, has made some public almost forget that life is dangerous. You here reports of family's that have been sheilding since march. To me that is not living that is just existing what life is that living in fear.
Think we just need to come to terms to the fact that this is just another thing that can kill us.
And whilst this covid shenanigans goes on how many people are going to die of cancer because all treatments have been stopped.
There will be more people die of the back of covid due to mental health issues people that have lost everything. Due to a virus that has a very slight chance of killing you, that ever will that died of covid.
Personally think it is time we all just got on with our lives, and live each day to the full living a good life rather than a life of existence is what counts
Yes there is a virus that has killed innocent people, but those numbers are still relatively low. When the beast from the east hit in 2018 55000 people died of the flu that winter.on average every year around 35000 die of the flu, so in 2018 where was the media when all those people were dieing.
On average around 1700 people a day die in the UK from all sorts of scenarios. It is a fact of life from the day we are born the clock is ticking and life is dangerous but that doesn't stop us from living and enjoying life.
This covid virus and the media shambles that has spread fear across alot of the population, has made some public almost forget that life is dangerous. You here reports of family's that have been sheilding since march. To me that is not living that is just existing what life is that living in fear.
Think we just need to come to terms to the fact that this is just another thing that can kill us.
And whilst this covid shenanigans goes on how many people are going to die of cancer because all treatments have been stopped.
There will be more people die of the back of covid due to mental health issues people that have lost everything. Due to a virus that has a very slight chance of killing you, that ever will that died of covid.
Personally think it is time we all just got on with our lives, and live each day to the full living a good life rather than a life of existence is what counts