YELROM
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- Location
- North Yorkshire
What cover crop are you planting, i was told a couple of weeks ago i was to late
Triton direct seed drill
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warksfarmer
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Mustard/raddish. I’ve planted mustard in October before and it’s fine. Potentially better to be honest as you don’t have a massive biomass to deal with in the following spring.
Isnt that the point of a cover crop ? Having tried it a few years ago it confirmed my observations from 2012, cover crops arent clever on heavy land unless they are killed off by end of jan
- Location
- Suffolk
The base price for a 3m Claydon Hybrid is £35,995
Of course it the cheapest on the market, half of it is missing!! It's nigh on £30k by the time you've added front tank & pipework, which isn't far behind the competition.
warksfarmer
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Thank you
warksfarmer
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Ours wasn’t.
16k for your drill, 8.6 for your hopper = £24.6k. How long/how much did all the pipes and buggeration down the side of the tractor cost?
I saw one demoed on a monitor farm two years ago, where I'm sure Mr Chaplin said a 3m frame & tines was £18k.
Mind you, he was also trying to tell me it was a low disturbance drill, which it isn't. It's a very similar principle to my Kockerling AT300, which is anything but low disturbance. Good for beans though!
warksfarmer
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Pipe work we already have but prefer to use it with the hopper rear mounted anyway. However all it is is drainage pipe as it comes with the flexipipe.
As for disturbance it’s not in a disc drills territory by any means but it’s not actually bad. See attached. Our Horsch ST on Vos tines moves more soil but it’s how you set it obviously as well.
As for the price it’s over £10,000 cheaper than a Claydon. That’s a 1/3 of the cost so I’d say significant. You need to look at what it does though as I honestly, having tried/seen virtually everything, don’t think anything closes the slot like a Triton and that goes for all disc drills as well.
If you’ve got nice friable soil then anything will close the slot but soil with higher clay content and slot closure is the main issue unless you create some tilth with a cultivation.
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warksfarmer
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What I’m struggling to understand is whys there so much negativity about this drill from multiple sources? How many people on this thread have used one on their own soil?
That’s the only way you can have a conclusive opinion!
I can only speak as I find and my experience has been good. The company is available for questions and spare parts. From what I’m seeing they are extremely proactive with resolving issues. It’s the cheapest drill per metre from what I can make out and importantly it covers the seed unlike so many other direct drills. Ordering to delivery was easy and hassle free.
It’s more power hungry than I thought though and on the soil here 230hp on 3m is where it needs to be to maintain a good forward speed.
That’s the only way you can have a conclusive opinion!
I can only speak as I find and my experience has been good. The company is available for questions and spare parts. From what I’m seeing they are extremely proactive with resolving issues. It’s the cheapest drill per metre from what I can make out and importantly it covers the seed unlike so many other direct drills. Ordering to delivery was easy and hassle free.
It’s more power hungry than I thought though and on the soil here 230hp on 3m is where it needs to be to maintain a good forward speed.
- Location
- Chipping Norton
A Condor is cheaper per meter. And it comes with 3 tanks.
warksfarmer
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Smallest condor was 9m when I looked so it’s not a comparison to a Triton because even if the £/m is less (Triton £5300/metre when we bought), you’ve got to buy 9m worth to get into it.
Also it’s more akin to a seedhawk/dale as it has a leading tine but does not have a closing tine which is the key thing for me. The Triton seeding tine, whilst different to others does the same job as others by placing the seed. As mentioned the clever part is the closing tine.
- Location
- Chipping Norton
Smallest Condor is 12m I believe. I was really just challenging your comment about it being cheapest per metre, which it isn’t.
The Triton is clearly an interesting idea. I just dislike their assertion that it’s the lowest disturbance tine drill available, which is nonsense. I also fail to understand why you need to move so much soil with the seeding leg. And finally, running on wet fragile soil with such heavy tractors Is quite wrong. If you value your asset this is not the way to treat it IMHO.
warksfarmer
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Is a 12m Condor less than £63,600 + vat? If so then that’s cheap but still hasn’t got a closing tine so of no interest to me personally.
As for soil disturbance see my pics above. It’s definitely less than our Horsch ST on Vos tines and less than our old Weaving Sabre Tine.
Who says you need to move lots of soil with the seeding leg of a Triton?
. This is what I don’t understand as there’s so many things said that aren’t true about the drill.Again I haven’t said we’re running on water sodden soil
. Where’s that come from?
- Location
- Chipping Norton
These were not personal comments about what you are doing, they are about the claims made by the company and about what the drill actually does. It’s not a genuine no-till drill as some believe because it can’t cope with chopped straw or cover crops. Yes it can direct drill into baled stubble but that’s about all it can cope with. So for those looking at utilising cover crops it won’t work. I appreciate that’s not you and that’s not a criticism of you but it needs to be said. So to address your questions above.Is a 12m Condor less than £63,600 + vat? If so then that’s cheap but still hasn’t got a closing tine so of no interest to me personally.
As for soil disturbance see my pics above. It’s definitely less than our Horsch ST on Vos tines and less than our old Weaving Sabre Tine.
Who says you need to move lots of soil with the seeding leg of a Triton?
Again I haven’t said we’re running on water sodden soil
First they advocate later drilling, it’s their whole concept against Blackgrass. There are many videos shown running on very wet soil and claiming it’s ok. Again you may not be doing this but I wasn't aiming the reply at you, but at the drill.
Second the seeding legs,whether straight or cranked, run much deeper than seeding depth creating the drainage channel or whatever they call it. I have not seen a leg promoted for the drill which just moves soil to seeding depth only. If there is one I stand corrected.
Cost. No not quite, but then do you get three separate seed tanks and metering systems for that price?
Maybe your VOS did move more soil, but then I don’t know what width point you are using. But I certainly have photos of Horsch on Metcalfe’s and the Condor drill which are far less disturbance than any of the Triton photos seen on here and other places. I have seen the Triton working at Groundswell and on farm and it was definitely moving more soil than those mentioned above. Again I emphasis that these comments are not specifically aimed at you.
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- Location
- Shropshire
Could a leading disc be perhaps fitted to run in front of each leg to cope with trash, straw or cover crops, similar to the ones fitted to the Simtec?
Having looked at the Triton and had a price for one it does seem value for money and the person I spoke to was very obliging. Its a shame everyone is so against what I assume is a British design and built piece of machinery. Yes I agree the marketing has been interesting on here to say the least, but is all this bitching about Triton really the depths some have fallen to. If it was German designed and painted green it would probably be the next best thing, which is sad.
I commend @warksfarmer for doing what so many have called for, someone to purchase a Triton and give an honest review.
I commend @warksfarmer for doing what so many have called for, someone to purchase a Triton and give an honest review.
warksfarmer
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It’s most certainly does go through chopped straw see attached.
It’s not going to go through a thick cover crop but that’s no different to our Horsch ST or Sabre Tine. Both blocked up but that’s not the drills as such. It’s the fact they are tines.
Not sure why you think it won’t with either cover crops though. Again that’s not true. This last spring we topped the cover we had drilled from autumn 19 and the Triton planted spring wheat for us. I’m looking at front mounting a topper so I can top and drill in one pass where the soil allows if lighter. Heavier clays will need destroying early in the New Year to get some drying for March drilling but that’s the same for any kind of direct drill. It’s not the drills it’s the type of soil as covers keep them sodden wet, so they need removing to start the drying process.
Our Vos are 3 inch points.
Again I’ll refer you to the attached pic for the Triton soil movement. It’s not like our old Weaving Big Disc or a 750 but it’s impressive for a tine machine. If you set everything deep then yes it’ll move soil similar to that of a Claydon and Mzuri.
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warksfarmer
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No there’s not enough room. The frame would have to be lengthend to create more room which adds more weight etc etc. Possibly a front mounted disc toolbar but I’m thinking a topper is easier then as the drill passes it will fold an element of the trash into the soil anyway.
warksfarmer
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Cheers. I’m just speaking as I find. It’s a fantastically clever idea and as said before I’ve ‘never’ seen any drill cover the seed like a Triton. It’s doing what all others have failed to do so on clays with high Magnesium content.