Turbines. Another fine mess????

renewablejohn

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lancs
If that's the case the small wind industry ie sub 250 would never of got off the ground. We didnt make the rules,we followed them. Planning,grid connection,ofgem all needed to be passed and paid. Grid alone could cost up to 250k
Why do you think sub 250 never took off on the mainland. Maybe it was never feasible without subsidy certainly compared to larger offshore the figures have never stacked up.
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
Why do you think sub 250 never took off on the mainland. Maybe it was never feasible without subsidy certainly compared to larger offshore the figures have never stacked up.
Actually wind turbines stack up far easier on good on shore sites than ever building them at sea, the cost their must be phenomenal. The sea turbines benefit from a high strike price, similar to proposed nuclear.
the big issue with on shore turbines was always about finding sites where there were not ten thousand nimbys objecting. And if they were not a problem the RAF were sure to finish it off due to radar concerns
 

linga

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Location
Ceredigion
These turbines where just obsolete in that the site could upgrade from a 250kw to 1MW or 1.5MW. Most of them received EU subsidy as new turbines. Anywhere else in europe you could not get Fits on 2nd hand equipment but NI made up there own rules which allowed this as part of the "peace dividend". Why it was allowed by the EU I have no idea. Anyway the end result is a lot of people have made a lot of money out of 2nd hand wind turbines.

I dont think this is structly true. There are some secondhand turbines operating on the mainland
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
New turbines...the figures don't stack up. What is a fair payback on an investment. Less than 5 years maybe 6 but certainly no more as there's considerable risk and expense
For a guaranteed return 6 is very short And probably represents 20% return on capital. Ithink plenty of city investors would be happy with 3/4% at the moment. Without looking at a spread sheet cannot give hard numbers
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
Actually wind turbines stack up far easier on good on shore sites than ever building them at sea, the cost their must be phenomenal. The sea turbines benefit from a high strike price, similar to proposed nuclear.
the big issue with on shore turbines was always about finding sites where there were not ten thousand nimbys objecting. And if they were not a problem the RAF were sure to finish it off due to radar concerns
Offshore stacks up as there now 13MW turbines not miniscule 250kw which were discussing in NI.
 

linga

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Location
Ceredigion
I am aware of quite a few 2nd hand wind turbines on the mainland but as I said I dont know of any that are receiving Fits as thats specifically against the rules on the mainland.

Well I am no expert but I am aware of some that are.
I believe that its against the rules if the secondhand turbine was previousy in receipt of FiTs in the UK
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
How so? Curious to know what form that support would have taken, and if any needed repaid by the original owners when they were relocated.
Just google Danish wind turbines. They were the driving force in wind development and funding creating the Fits model to get consumers to finance the turbines with capital grant finance as well for top ups. Not heard of any having to be repaid so long as the minimum power generation had been reached in fact the opposite with grants available for increasing head size hence the 2nd hand market flooding NI and to a lesser extent Italy.
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
Well I am no expert but I am aware of some that are.
I believe that its against the rules if the secondhand turbine was previousy in receipt of FiTs in the UK
Its not just UK with Fits its anywhere in the EU hence you had the anomaly of turbines being imported from Canada to get around the rules. If you dig deep enough you always find a grey area to be exploited.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Just google Danish wind turbines. They were the driving force in wind development and funding creating the Fits model to get consumers to finance the turbines with capital grant finance as well for top ups. Not heard of any having to be repaid so long as the minimum power generation had been reached in fact the opposite with grants available for increasing head size hence the 2nd hand market flooding NI and to a lesser extent Italy.

Nothing jumping out when I google. Care to be a bit more specific?

Personally, I see nothing wrong with them giving caital grants if it kick started an industry which now seems to be thriving. I can't see any indication that it was EU money either, although I admit to not having dug that deeply. Whatever, Denmark has a thriving turbine manufacturing industry and we don't, so it looks like they did the right thing.
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
Nothing jumping out when I google. Care to be a bit more specific?

Personally, I see nothing wrong with them giving caital grants if it kick started an industry which now seems to be thriving. I can't see any indication that it was EU money either, although I admit to not having dug that deeply. Whatever, Denmark has a thriving turbine manufacturing industry and we don't, so it looks like they did the right thing.
You obviously have not been to Hull lately.

 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
Nothing jumping out when I google. Care to be a bit more specific?

Personally, I see nothing wrong with them giving caital grants if it kick started an industry which now seems to be thriving. I can't see any indication that it was EU money either, although I admit to not having dug that deeply. Whatever, Denmark has a thriving turbine manufacturing industry and we don't, so it looks like they did the right thing.
Danish wind industry history lesson.


There is loads more but the above gives you the bones of how Denmark created a wind industry and the rest of Europe followed.
 

Bones

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Location
n Ireland
A friend of mine has a 250, its heating large water tanks which in turn blows out heat with some kind of blow heaters, His two tractors are very cosy and content in the open door shed🤣🤣🤣
 

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