Moisture claims

Case290

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Worcestershire

• Nov 10, 2020

• #1

We’re off first moisture claim. What are the normal charges they got a 15.3 moisture -£2 per ton . Is that the going rate.
Load of old tosh as normal, don't know why I bother sending my moisture meter of to be calibrated. At least they sent the deduction 3 days after the lorry was loaded. Sorry, 4 days after.

 

Case290

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Worcestershire

• Nov 10, 2020

• #2

farmers need a feed back system ie so sort out the stores mills etc who are claiming the most deductions. Tricky To do any such thing I should imagine. Ba#%***s

 

principal skinner

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

Bedfordshire

• Nov 10, 2020

• #3

What was the contacted moisture? If it was 15 I would be grumbling at £2

 

Case290

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Worcestershire

• Nov 10, 2020

• #4

Yes tested below 15 when it left .Just checked the store again to be 100% did the usual 10 samples and got an average of 14.2. So be a grumpy farmer phone call tomorrow. I knew it was dry. Me thinks they take the pee Got another load tomorrow so see what they say when that gets there.

 

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Jo28

Member

Location

East Yorks

• Nov 10, 2020

• #5

Ask for a retest if you're confident.

 

Case290

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Worcestershire

• Nov 10, 2020

• #6

I just did the re test. I’m not interested in driving down to re testing there little 1kg sample. Could do tho

 

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DRC

Member

• Nov 10, 2020

• #7

I’ve had the same this year. Think I got £3 off from the lovely Lloyd’s of Wrexham for 15.3.
both my testers said 15 or below. Merchant didn’t fight my corner .

 

Brisel

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

Midlands

• Nov 11, 2020

• #8

You have the right to an independent test. It's at your expense if they are right and theirs plus the claim back if they were wrong.

 

Worsall

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

South Oxfordshire

• Nov 11, 2020

• #9

I'd prefer to spend my AHDB levy on independent auditors at the major points of delivery......just saying.

 

Case290

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Worcestershire

• Nov 11, 2020

• #10

Yes I do.. but
Y would I want to test what they have as a sample. Maybe best and I did offer it for them to come and sample at the grain store. Where we both know it’s the actual stuff in question There some slippery eels to deal with. Obviously got nowhere...

 

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Jo28

Member

Location

East Yorks

• Nov 11, 2020

• #11

Case290 said:

Yes I do.. but
Y would I want to test what they have as a sample. Maybe best and I did offer it for them to come and sample at the grain store. Where we both know it’s the actual stuff in question There some slippery eels to deal with. Obviously got nowhere...

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we've done quite a few retests where we have been confident and have come out the right side every time.

 

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farmerm

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Location

Shropshire

• Nov 11, 2020

• #12

Jo28 said:

we've done quite a few retests where we have been confident and have come out the right side every time.

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Do they just try it on sometimes? Not uncommon to put 3 or 4 loads though and have a claim on 1 even though they all came out of a fairly uniform heap

 

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7610 super q

Never Forgotten

Honorary Member

• Nov 11, 2020

• #13

Second year running my (calibrated) meter has differed wildly from merchants. This year I dried it down to 13- 13.5% to be sure. Meter on the hired grain drier gave the same reading as my own meter. Sample sent to merchant came back as 14.7 % Still within allowance, but a bit too close for comfort.
I also wonder why I bother getting my meter calibrated......

 

yellow belly

Member

Location

south west lincolnshire

• Nov 11, 2020

• #14

We should all check our meters with a Known sample every time we use them
all the properly run commercial labs do

one calibration on last years grain will be inherently inaccurate

it does help to be close (1 mile ) to a well run lab
but taking a sample from the heap leave it in a sealed container For 24 hours split it in 2 keep one then send the other to your merchant to test then use the sample is not rocket science
would you calibrate your drill with an inaccurate weigher

 

Case290

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Worcestershire

• Nov 11, 2020

• #15

Sent my moisture meter away to be done guess they didn’t do it properly. Charged me and sent it back . Huu ???? Joke joke
Would it be out of order to ask the mill to see there moisture meter calibration certificate.

 

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Goffer

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Mixed Farmer

Location

Yorkshire

• Nov 11, 2020

• #16

Maybe not in line with the question but thought this maybe of interest.

Delivered 29.980 ton of wheat @16% . £3 deduction so instead of £152 -£149 = roughly £4467.00 less few levies etc.
Now if it was 14.5% with weight loss for drying that same lorry load would of been 29.464 ton @ £152 = £4478.00 so actually £11 on the whole load . Cant dry it at that ,can anyone

 

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yellow belly

Member

Location

south west lincolnshire

• Nov 13, 2020

• #17

Case290 said:

Sent my moisture meter away to be done guess they didn’t do it properly. Charged me and sent it back . Huu ???? Joke joke
Would it be out of order to ask the mill to see there moisture meter calibration certificate.

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where i deliver grain they checks their meters every day against a known sample their machine measures 10 subsamples per sample
which gives an average reading and any out liers if the sample is variable
if they say it is 15 it is 15 they do oven check samples if needed
they run a ring check system for over 200 other places

i use a bag of checked grain for my calibration

over the years i have found the bigest variation is grain that is fresh harvested and has not settled for a week

the next biggest variation is from heaps that are not filled and emptied evenly

 

An Gof

Member

Location

Cornwall

• Nov 13, 2020

• #18

yellow belly said:

where i deliver grain they checks their meters every day against a known sample their machine measures 10 subsamples per sample
which gives an average reading and any out liers if the sample is variable
if they say it is 15 it is 15 they do oven check samples if needed
they run a ring check system for over 200 other places

i use a bag of checked grain for my calibration

over the years i have found the bigest variation is grain that is fresh harvested and has not settled for a week

the next biggest variation is from heaps that are not filled and emptied evenly

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The good old Infratec ........
Sometimes even it can be wrong, especially at the start of a season before the calibrations have settled.

 

Case290

Member

Mixed Farmer

Location

Worcestershire

• Nov 13, 2020

• #19

The load before and load after was fine. What more can I say. I won’t want to bet any money on it. How many farms do their own haulage

 

Flat 10

Member

Arable Farmer

Location

Fen Edge

• Nov 13, 2020

• #20

Goffer said:

Maybe not in line with the question but thought this maybe of interest.

Delivered 29.980 ton of wheat @16% . £3 deduction so instead of £152 -£149 = roughly £4467.00 less few levies etc.
Now if it was 14.5% with weight loss for drying that same lorry load would of been 29.464 ton @ £152 = £4478.00 so actually £11 on the whole load . Cant dry it at that ,can anyone

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If I knew I could send ww to a home like that I would send it all there. I’m sure I’ve had15.8% ww be as much as -£8