Brexit and lamb prices.

MDL POWERUP

Member
Sheep sector does not get direct support and hasn't done for a while (support has been land based not sheep based) and when done right doesn't need it
Land based subsidy is shifting to ''green'' value led results that will most likely impinge on the ability to farm productively
Hence all sectors will have to stand on their own two feet --this i think will lead to a move from sheep in the hills/moors etc to greater emphasis on lamb production in lowland /arable integrated systems
What's not to like from an industry point of view?
Clean grazing = good growth & less welfare issues (worms are #1 welfare issue in lamb production)
Grazing animals on arable systems = less artificial N use & potentially less herbicide/pesticide use?
It almost sounds like you farm in a lowland/arable area?
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
Why so? Fresh, chilled carcasses surely travel just as easily and insisting everything is frozen just reduces the number of potential customers?
All NZ lamb in france is frozen , and if they want to play silly buggers , let them eat frozen , also get more on the lorry
 

Smith31

Member
So the majority who voted for Brexit should have been ignored!!!!!!

What exactly did Boris do wrong????? He could of course have caved in to Kenneth Clark and Heseltine.....................

I never said they should be ignored, I simply want Boris to do his job, why are we celebrating high lamb prices for two weeks when sheep farmers have been shafted for the past 2 years due to the uncertainty which finalising Brexit took, it should have been sorted months ago.
 

S J H

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
Are you really that ignorant of the facts as to post such a thing? Leaving with no deal, and having to trade on WTO terms, was the danger to the UK sheep industry. So much so that even Useless publicly recognised we’d be about fooked.

Fortunately, Boris’s climb down means that the ‘no deal’ scenario was averted and we have tariff free trade, as we had before. The financial market’s view of the UK economy is ensuring that sterling stays in the doldrums, helping our export endeavours.
What did he climb down from? Pretty much got what they always said they wanted.
 

Smith31

Member
No one made them sell did they? It’s called business. If you knew exactly what something was worth when it wouldn’t work. Needs to be winners and losers. Luckily I bought a sh!t ton of stores and also had a load of lambs ready to go just before the exit and held them, now worth almost a £ a kilo more.

There are a great number of farmers who cannot afford to take risks or hold on to stock. They took the sensible decision and sold as we were staring at a no deal, these farming families will have taken a hit for many thousands which they can ill afford.

I actually like Boris but you can not give him credit for securing a deal at the last minute which should have been sorted months ago.
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
There are a great number of farmers who cannot afford to take risks or hold on to stock. They took the sensible decision and sold as we were staring at a no deal, these farming families will have taken a hit for many thousands which they can ill afford.

I actually like Boris but you can not give him credit for securing a deal at the last minute which should have been sorted months ago.
I think brexit has made farmers market their stock better , there's normally about 5 million hoggs floating around after xmas
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I think brexit has made farmers market their stock better , there's normally about 5 million hoggs floating around after xmas

Why is selling them sooner necessarily 'marketing them better'? Feeding lambs to sell them sooner is far from the same as marketing them better. Every farm is different, and plenty are set up perfectly well to sell hoggs after Christmas.
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
I never said they should be ignored, I simply want Boris to do his job, why are we celebrating high lamb prices for two weeks when sheep farmers have been shafted for the past 2 years due to the uncertainty which finalising Brexit took, it should have been sorted months ago.
yea an while they are at it , get the split carcase teeth issue sorted , its been known for years this was going to end , as no proven link to bse , more whitehall bureaucracy same as shafting the voluntary staff at nightingales and vaxing,
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
There are a great number of farmers who cannot afford to take risks or hold on to stock. They took the sensible decision and sold as we were staring at a no deal, these farming families will have taken a hit for many thousands which they can ill afford.

Those farmers that hedged their bets and sold some/all before the end of December haven't taken a hit. Prices have been good all year, and they sold well before Christmas.

There's a big difference between taking a hit, and not making as much as they might have, had they taken the gamble on deal or no deal.
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
Why is selling them sooner necessarily 'marketing them better'? Feeding lambs to sell them sooner is far from the same as marketing them better. Every farm is different, and plenty are set up perfectly well to sell hoggs after Christmas.
Because they're still selling hoggs when new season are available , hence it fooks both jobs , imo
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
Those farmers that hedged their bets and sold some/all before the end of December haven't taken a hit. Prices have been good all year, and they sold well before Christmas.

There's a big difference between taking a hit, and not making as much as they might have, had they taken the gamble on deal or no deal.
Life's a gamble neil , if you have the same marketing philosphy every year you're not doing your job
 

Smith31

Member
yea an while they are at it , get the split carcase teeth issue sorted , its been known for years this was going to end , as no proven link to bse , more whitehall bureaucracy same as shafting the voluntary staff at nightingales and vaxing,

There never has been a risk in my opinion, well for the past 10 years at least.
 

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