- Location
- Lincolnshire
That’s it really.
Cattle manure value
- Thread starter Overby
- Start date
- Location
- South Molton
Would composting it get rid of the possible BG issue?
Discussed here
Muck and Blackgrass
I have been offered a lot of free FYM - I want it but I am nervous as the straw is not mine and might come from farms with blackgrass issues My question is if I compost the FYM will it destroy the BG seed that might be in it ? I wouldn't care if I piled it up and left it years before...
thefarmingforum.co.uk
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Thanks. I think it’s confirmed what my gut feeling told me. A bit of a shame, but no.
So he wants roughly 1 ton of straw for 2 ton of muck and you do a lot of the work regarding the muck , sod off springs to mind
150 acres of straw .. roughly 1.5 ton yieldan acre so hence my rough 225 ish tons of straw to 500 ton of muck.
- Location
- South Molton
The other way of looking at it is for you and only you to supply straw and take the muck from your own straw next year.
Forget the whats on farm muck for this year.
Forget the whats on farm muck for this year.
@DrWazzock the process needs to be done with someone you trust not to have foreign material in muck.
Also it is a long term arrangement as mentioned previously. Muck one year won't make a massive difference imo. Muck in a rotation long term will.
You have said in other threads about simplifying your operation and possibly winding it down so take the easy option.
Also it is a long term arrangement as mentioned previously. Muck one year won't make a massive difference imo. Muck in a rotation long term will.
You have said in other threads about simplifying your operation and possibly winding it down so take the easy option.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
He takes in straw from all over and will continue to do so hence the blackgrass and other weed worries. Who’s straw and indeed how much I get back isn’t at all certain. Who knows if he has enough at harvest I might end up with left in the swath, wet. Nothing is written down.
Much as I’d like to help out, I just don’t want to get drawn in.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
That’s it. It’s a no. Decision made. Harsh but right.
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
I'll buck the trend and say go for it Dr.
From what you've said in the past I'd say your land with snotty clay and sand that slumps and caps will benefit greatly from any muck.
If you can pile it up and compost it that will help a lot with weed seeds and would allow you to make it work on direct drilling and not need to incorporate it.
The distance is good we haul our own muck to our own land nuch further that your proposal, badly parked cars are easily sorted by removing a wing mirror or two on the first few loads, they soon get the idea!!!
I do think thought that for 150 acres of straw you want to be having double the muck youve been offered.
Yes the chopper and bagged feet is easier but you get out what you put in and muck is by far the best and worth all the hassle in my opinion.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I have no doubt it does the land a lot of good. It’s very tempting. But.....I'll buck the trend and say go for it Dr.
From what you've said in the past I'd say your land with snotty clay and sand that slumps and caps will benefit greatly from any muck.
If you can pile it up and compost it that will help a lot with weed seeds and would allow you to make it work on direct drilling and not need to incorporate it.
The distance is good we haul our own muck to our own land nuch further that your proposal, badly parked cars are easily sorted by removing a wing mirror or two on the first few loads, they soon get the idea!!!
I do think thought that for 150 acres of straw you want to be having double the muck youve been offered.
Yes the chopper and bagged feet is easier but you get out what you put in and muck is by far the best and worth all the hassle in my opinion.
its priceless just look at the price of the ingredients
Hilly
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders.
It’s very difficult almost impossible to measure , but look at it like this , a farm that’s had a regular supply of fym all things equal for a prolonged period of time will be twice the farm that has not had fym , you choose , and chopping straw will do Fuk all for your land your just kidding yourself if you think it will.
- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
It’s a nice idea and exactly what I do here. however, the land I left in leics in 2015 had been ploughed up for the war effort and never seen muck since and was still turning out 9.5 tonne crops - did spend some on all artificial’s of course
Hilly
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Yes but we are not all blessed with land las good as that , and imagine it had been returned as manure each year since the war it could well be a lot better I’m many ways their is more to land than just yield .
Done a fair bit of straw for dung since we gave up our own cattle . I wanted to stop selling the straw as it was clear the farm was suffering selling the lot after just a few years .
It's fine if you can find someone local but distance does kill the job unless you just like inventing work to look busy . Hauling dung about is not a cheap hobby imo .
I now only swap with people willing to take straw and bring back dung as it just doesn't add up to be putting trailers on myself . Most want a quick winter muck out, so need 3 or 4 trailers going . Spreading it straight out combine is better for me ime , no baler , handler and trailer damage has to be considered too . Chopped and spread every year has to help OM with a little and often approach.
I'm more than happy to keep working with folk who take it and bring it back but if they find stuff closer to home my chopper will go back on as it's definitely better chopped back in than removed altogether.
It's fine if you can find someone local but distance does kill the job unless you just like inventing work to look busy . Hauling dung about is not a cheap hobby imo .
I now only swap with people willing to take straw and bring back dung as it just doesn't add up to be putting trailers on myself . Most want a quick winter muck out, so need 3 or 4 trailers going . Spreading it straight out combine is better for me ime , no baler , handler and trailer damage has to be considered too . Chopped and spread every year has to help OM with a little and often approach.
I'm more than happy to keep working with folk who take it and bring it back but if they find stuff closer to home my chopper will go back on as it's definitely better chopped back in than removed altogether.
Last edited:
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Leave it well alone end of
- Location
- Northumberlandia
i do a barley straw deal in exchange for the same straw back as muck. I clear the sheds out all my self & lead it also. it secured the deal in a nutshell
as there is plenty vultures who would have had there paws on it.
Good genuine farming family tho & had straw off my for a few years before we did the muck back.
Contractor i use spreads it as n when at a later date.
No BG thankfully.
Both parties v happy & long may it continue
as there is plenty vultures who would have had there paws on it.
Good genuine farming family tho & had straw off my for a few years before we did the muck back.
Contractor i use spreads it as n when at a later date.
No BG thankfully.
Both parties v happy & long may it continue
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Advice to anyone considering getting muck that doesnt have any of there own is you might have too do a bit of work but if you have decent trailers & loader go for it
providing your not running too far to get it of course & its 100% BG free & moving it hassle free
Arable land eventually needs sum organic manure of some sort putting back
We pretty much bale all straw here & ive never been a fan of chopping it altho i agree its such as easy way.
Value is so difficult. it needs to be £4-5t min but if its quite wet & well rotten poss more.
It does so much good to land its value is priceless to be honest.
providing your not running too far to get it of course & its 100% BG free & moving it hassle free
Arable land eventually needs sum organic manure of some sort putting back
We pretty much bale all straw here & ive never been a fan of chopping it altho i agree its such as easy way.
Value is so difficult. it needs to be £4-5t min but if its quite wet & well rotten poss more.
It does so much good to land its value is priceless to be honest.
GeorgeK
Member
- Location
- Leicestershire
There are many benefits of muck but in DrW's specific situation there is a human factor whereby he's looking to simplify his system, reduce workload and enjoy life and farming. This takes priority IMO, he's a good and sympathetic farmer who looks after his land and the way he treats it, it will continue to improve with or without muck. He's earned a few easier years, there's more to life than just the land. My neighbour died last week, 63, always worked hard to the highest standards, he more than earned a few relaxing years but never got them