Post Brexit Meat Export

jpd

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Location
rep of irl
Take no beef from Ireland, listen to the squeal
are you aware the uk runs a trade surplus with us?
ie
we buy more from you
than you buy from ireland
is it pritti patel all over again?
cut off food exports and starve us
to get a deal from the eu?
we are 90% self sufficient (or higher) in beef
that is before we even spread butter and top it with cheese
me friend paul even has a few bee hives
grow up-will ya
 

Ashtree

Member
Totally integrated glasshouse industry

Aaalsmeer market sell 30m blooms within 2 hours via (can't remember but) about 20 falling clock auctions

Blooms leave Schipol airport on scheduled flights Worldwide

80% of specialist flower delivery trucks of EU based in / around Venlo / Aaalsmeer

UK starts dicking about with Christmas shutdowns and focus late November, the Dutch trucks still rolling off the ferry in to UK on Christmas Eve for the NY market

Dutch enterprise and know-how just building an 80 acre glasshouse on outskirts of Bury St Edmunds (peppers I believe this time) . The Lea Valley and Lower Roding Valley does have a glasshouse industry still (mainly family concerns of Italian descent) but they are a cottage industry compared with what the Dutch have in place

I don't mind being pro British and celebrating and encouraging success but sometimes I do worry about bland statements and the sheer lack of recognition for what folks are proposing

Bless you, but you are a veritable mine of information, solid facts, calm rationalisation, mixed with old fashioned British pride and pragmatism.
Pity you didn’t stand for and get elected to the EU Parliament along with a scattering of others of like minded pragmatism, instead of the mostly disinterested deadbeats who actually got the jobs.

Boris Johnson’s fake news fest aside, as European correspondent of the Torygraph, the ordinary pleb on the street, might never have gotten hoodwinked by the Kippers, if a “better class” of representative had worked the corridors of power in Brussels.
 
Location
southwest
are you aware the uk runs a trade surplus with us?
ie
we buy more from you
than you buy from ireland
is it pritti patel all over again?
cut off food exports and starve us
to get a deal from the eu?
we are 90% self sufficient (or higher) in beef
that is before we even spread butter and top it with cheese
me friend paul even has a few bee hives
grow up-will ya


If you're over 90% self sufficient in beef, why are you buying it from the UK?
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
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are you aware the uk runs a trade surplus with us?
ie
we buy more from you
than you buy from ireland
is it pritti patel all over again?
cut off food exports and starve us
to get a deal from the eu?
we are 90% self sufficient (or higher) in beef
that is before we even spread butter and top it with cheese
me friend paul even has a few bee hives
grow up-will ya
We are talking about being awkward. Sauce for the goose etc. Ireland have always had a very good line of communication with the commission so will be very quick to elicit a cure for any awkwardness that effects them
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Carcass balancing I suspect, much the same as the reason we import lamb into the UK, whilst being a net exporter.

You could also ask why do we import cheese?

Your comment on cheese I often ponder when at the cheese display. On Friday evening at 11.00pm in ASDA I was selecting cheese. On my list was Brie (daughters favourite). The selection comprised Somerset Brie (10.00kg) , Cornish Brie, Le President French branded (£9.50kg) and then another French branded Brie. I got the Somerset. Also I had to get Boursin - for a specific chicken recipe. And forgot to get Camozola - only German on display. Also Cheddar - went for the Cathedral City brand, rather than ASDA own - price differed by about £1.25kg. Always fascinating.
 
Your comment on cheese I often ponder when at the cheese display. On Friday evening at 11.00pm in ASDA I was selecting cheese. On my list was Brie (daughters favourite). The selection comprised Somerset Brie (10.00kg) , Cornish Brie, Le President French branded (£9.50kg) and then another French branded Brie. I got the Somerset. Also I had to get Boursin - for a specific chicken recipe. And forgot to get Camozola - only German on display. Also Cheddar - went for the Cathedral City brand, rather than ASDA own - price differed by about £1.25kg. Always fascinating.
Marketing/advertising. Now the power of social media can change peoples buying decisions very quickly as per my previous comment about supporting our Anzac Commonwealth countries to the exclusion of EU countries as in sauce for the goose.
 
From what I understand any exports in the interim are being allowed through with some allowances for incorrect paperwork.

How long that will be allowed to continue is the question.

Paperwork etc. can be tightened up. Tariffs have been zapped with red top headlines.. But the big problem is with fresh sanitory and phytosanitory products. (SPS) - that animal / plant stuff to you and me.

As a 'third country' trading into the castle of the Single Market, the drawbridge has been raised and inspections must take place of SPS products entering. That takes time, staff, vets and extra haulage time, as these inspections are diverted to Border Inspection Ports. And we have very few.

The main problem with fish and particularly the high value Scottish crayfish, is that it is shipped live.
And by the time all the above has been box ticked and more importantly, inspected, it's either stale or dead. Ship it frozen and it's half the money.


Apparently getting lamb through hasnt been easy either ?

For the same reasons.

That's why membership of the EEA / EFTA was so important as a stepping stone into the single Market.
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Massive is an understatement. I would guess that something like the entire UK flower production equivalent could pass though that place in one day. People ship flowers in from all over the world to be sold there.

Indeed.
Aalsmeer and Rotterdam deal with imports from all over the world, everyday, without delay.
Third country status needs paperwork but it doesn't have to mean delays.

I think negative comments about France and Ireland aren't meant to be xenophobic as they sound. It is a recognition that there will be some politicking in the near future and the UK must be prepared to match any other countries attempts to be 'unhelpful'.
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
Right from day one, it was clear as day that the soft underbelly of leaving the customs union, would be around JIT supply chains. Thatcher like her or loath her, had her head screwed on when it came to the single market. She had the vision, as did her peers in Europe at the time. Quite simply, a magnificent methodology was developed within the EU, to form a huge single market, to match that of the USA. Just in time, dock to stock trade flows to and from anywhere in EU, in 24 to 36 hours.
The effects of slamming the door on the customs union, are now becoming clear. No amount of “getting better” at filling the forms will come remotely near the frictionless border concept.
It’s bloody tough on small to medium sized exporters, and no doubt many will fold up.
Thatcher may have been a fan of the single market, but she was anti the political union that it turned into following Maastrict... had the EU remained primarily focused on trade rather than the political side of things I suspect a lot more people would have voted remain.
 

Agrivator

Member
Thatcher may have been a fan of the single market, but she was anti the political union that it turned into following Maastrict... had the EU remained primarily focused on trade rather than the political side of things I suspect a lot more people would have voted remain.

I wonder why folk in Europe and Southern Ireland, who are obviously so miffed that we had the temerity to leave the EU, are not demanding a public enquiry into why their leaders in Brussels did not listen to David Cameron.

If his reasonable request had been met, we wouldn't even have had a referendum.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I wonder why folk in Europe and Southern Ireland, who are obviously so miffed that we had the temerity to leave the EU, are not demanding a public enquiry into why their leaders in Brussels did not listen to David Cameron.

If his reasonable request had been met, we wouldn't even have had a referendum.
Whose miffed and why would anyone in Europe want an enquiry? And which reasonable request :scratchhead:
 

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