EU stoops to a new low.....

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin, France
I have an inkling what you mean sometimes, but not in this instance. The EC is unelected yet is 'empowered' to make Primary Legislation - Regulations and Directives - and also to make / take sovereign acts, as we witnessed yestereve.

Your poster-girl Ms Miller spent a lot of money making it absolutely clear via the Supreme Court that the Executive arm of Government here is entirely at the whim of the House of Commons, it can act in the exercise of sovereignty, but only so long and as far as the Commons permits it to.
So the Lord's have no place?
And the Government can't force through legislation?
And the house was allowed the same time as the EU to scrutinize Boris deal?
And the debate on this deal was allowed plenty of time ? And I dreamt watching Rees Mogg knock that scrutiny on the head.?
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
So the Lord's have no place?
And the Government can't force through legislation?
And the house was allowed the same time as the EU to scrutinize Boris deal?
And the debate on this deal was allowed plenty of time ? And I dreamt watching Rees Mogg knock that scrutiny on the head.?
I think most of the UK public would like to see absolute root and branch reform of the lords. Let's take an example. Ian Botham. A hero of mine from the past and a man who speaks what I consider to be perfect sense and I respect him to this day. But given all that, did I get a vote on him being there? I'm bloody glad he is but who asked me? Who asked me about the the rest of them, mostly muppets installed to promote an agenda of the government of the time. Nah. Scrap it.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
So the Lord's have no place?
And the Government can't force through legislation?
And the house was allowed the same time as the EU to scrutinize Boris deal?
And the debate on this deal was allowed plenty of time ? And I dreamt watching Rees Mogg knock that scrutiny on the head.?
The Lords is convenient but irrelevant, all that matters is what a majority in the Commons want, end of story. No government could force through anything without majority consent to it in the Commons; the Commons could have ordered any amount of time it wanted for scrutiny, HMG would just have to have accepted it; ditto debate. JRM, who I like is as irrelevant as the Lords if the there is a majority in the Commons who disagree with him.

HMG only exists at the pleasure of the Commons. If, for whatever reason, 163 Tory and 163 Labour MPs decided to ditch their parties tomorrow and create a new one, that parliamentary party would have the power to remove the current Government in a couple of votes and create its own in a couple more, all could be done a couple of hours.

Outside of General Elections & referenda, all that matters in the UK is having >325 Commons MPs. Got it?

Anyway, it's bed time for me.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Read the part " No Hesitation"
Now I have never defended BJ in the past (and am not really comfortable doing it now) but from your quoted article he said:

"What I can say, what I can confirm to him [DUP’s Westminster leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson], is that if there are problems that we believe are disproportionate, then we will have no hesitation in invoking Article 16."

Speaking to the Commons Liaison Committee later on Wednesday Mr Johnson insisted that the situation with Great Britain/Northern Ireland trade was "far better than some people had perhaps expected, things are much smoother".

The Prime Minister acknowledged "there are some problems" but "they are by and large small, soluble questions which one-by-one we are addressing".

He insisted any bureaucracy was "incredibly light touch, insofar as we have to do any checks at all" and "it is working well".

That is a far cry from actually invoking Article 16.

Bare in mind that some supermarket shelves in NI were actually empty at the time. Compare that with a lack of supply of a vaccine that had literally only been authorised by the EU at best an hour or so before the EU did as a matter of fact evoke Article 16, it seems in a somewhat different league to me.
 
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Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
Now I have never defended BJ in the past (and am not really comfortable doing it now) but from your quoted article he said:

"What I can say, what I can confirm to him [DUP’s Westminster leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson], is that if there are problems that we believe are disproportionate, then we will have no hesitation in invoking Article 16."

Speaking to the Commons Liaison Committee later on Wednesday Mr Johnson insisted that the situation with Great Britain/Northern Ireland trade was "far better than some people had perhaps expected, things are much smoother".

The Prime Minister acknowledged "there are some problems" but "they are by and large small, soluble questions which one-by-one we are addressing".

He insisted any bureaucracy was "incredibly light touch, insofar as we have to do any checks at all" and "it is working well".

That is a far cry from actually invoking Article 16.

Bare in mind that some supermarket shelves in NI were actually empty at the time. Compare that with a lack of supply of a vaccine that had literally only been authorised by the EU at best an hour or so before the EU did as a matter of fact evoke Article 16, it seems in a somewhat different league to me.

The French boys are scratching around for any scraps. Quite amusing really.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
No more than sour grapes (raisins aigres to you)..;)


Now, no offence intended, but you are a bit older than I am.., so I’m interested in your view, . i am of the conclusion that this whole « social media » society that we now have is a catastrophe for human kind and for example, non stop sour grapes on every platform is one illustration 🥴
 

Bongodog

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I was referring to the fact that the EU Parliament is all elected and the UK governing body is not. As is pretty clear.
More or less every person in a position of authority in the EU has not been directly elected, where is the popular vote for the commissioners or two of the three presidents ? The EU parliament has minute powers in reality, they are just there to rubber stamp the decisions if their superiors. If they dare to vote against a decision it just keeps being re presented
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Now, no offence intended, but you are a bit older than I am.., so I’m interested in your view, . i am of the conclusion that this whole « social media » society that we now have is a catastrophe for human kind and for example, non stop sour grapes on every platform is one illustration 🥴
See below...

I agree entirely.
Does that mean you two old farts are going to sod off, or is it like a decent brandy, only bad for the young? :unsure:
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
More or less every person in a position of authority in the EU has not been directly elected, where is the popular vote for the commissioners or two of the three presidents ? The EU parliament has minute powers in reality, they are just there to rubber stamp the decisions if their superiors. If they dare to vote against a decision it just keeps being re presented
Sham or mock democracy at work. Never mind it fools and satisfies a lot of people.
 

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