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- Northern Ireland
If given the same chance, I'm confident that the people of Northern Ireland would also vote against an Irish Sea border.
Not quite fact though, ironically they may have unwittingly/naively encouraged people to vote for the the situation that has led to a potential weakening of the union, but people weren't forced to vote in any particular way.
I'd put that awkward cringey time to the back of my mindYes. However, after the clear majority in NI voted against Brexit, the DUP were very unwise to continue to drive on against the wishes of a clear majority. The sight of DUP MP’s absolutely sticking it to the clear majority, when they had Teresa May over a barrel simply was not wise. In fact it was down right stupid. They don’t represent anyone in England, Wales or Scotland. They didn’t get a Brexit mandate for those they do represent.
Irish identities and cultures and citizenship are very well protected in Northern Ireland. It's a fair compromise, and unionists have never sought to drive out 'irishness'. I fail to see how anything like that level of reciprocation can be made in a united ireland scenario, especially with the perpetual Sinn Fein strategy of 'greening the north', to use their own term. It's one of annihilation of identities and cultures associated with Britain. For as long as this attitude exists among my nationalist/republican countrymen, I could obviously never contemplate voting for my own extinction, no matter how much money might be offered. Having read at great length the anti-britain attitudes on this forum from Irish folks, I would have little confidence that the spirit of embracing and protecting our Northern identities would be any better in the south.
ive never had problems with my sothern neighbors there completely different people I have family that farmed on the border for years it was there neighbours in the south that saved their lifes by warning thrm of an IRA atack on them as for shinners up hear no one wants them even in the southThere is that way of looking at it, but there are also small Protestant enclaves in the ROI and they feel no suppression at all.
There are lodges and bands south of the border doing really well and well supported by the Irish government to continue to express their British Identity, more so than some on the North side of the border.
I’m aware there are some Northern Irish posters on this thread who are well away from the border, perhaps things look and feel different there compared to me 300 yards from it.
I’m back and forth across the border all the time, the majority of my supplies come from ROI. An engineer I frequent quite candidly spoke about his experiences.
He says “I’m here all my life, I’m born here, I work here, I live here, I’m COI my neighbours are Roman Catholic and Presbyterian, never a foul word or ill turn inflicted upon anyone”
“The only ones that tell me the likes of myself will be in bother in an United Ireland are from your boys up over the border, I’m a Prod and I’m Irish - there is no bother”
I think there will be more issues from Northern Nationalism to accept Unionists than from Éire.
ive never had problems with my sothern neighbors there completely different people I have family that farmed on the border for years it was there neighbours in the south that saved their lifes by warning thrm of an IRA atack on them as for shinners up hear no one wants them even in the south
So just to recap -Boris Johnson
1. Said he'd never agree an Irish Sea border
2. He then agreed to an Irish sea border.
3.Then he denied he'd agreed to a sea border .
4. He then implemented a sea border.
5. Yesterday he said there must not be an Irish Sea border.
6. Now he's trying to blame the EU for the UK / NI internal market border.
I bet she believes that gypsies wouldn't steal scrap too.Ah bless ‘em. The DUP that is. Boris played them like a trout on a mayfly!
NI has been screwed by Westminster, the rest are just trivial.The whole issue has highlighted how
1 Many of the defenders/proponents of the Belfast Agreement either have not read it or are familiar with its provisions.
2 Some of those who support the Agreement are apparently quite happy to run roughshod over it and provisions when it suits their purposes.
3 The ROI Government or some of those within it are quite apparently happy to dismiss unionist concerns in a fashion if done by British Governments to nationalism that would never be tolerated.
That's what I've said all through this, the unionists won't use violence, so it's easier for the British government to cave in to actual terrorists who will.The protocol wasn't on the ballot paper though. At the end of the day, the only reason the customs checkpoint isn't on the border is because of the threat of violence from dissidents. Its nothing to do with good friday agreement, that's just an easy out for the government to appease the unionists as their threats of violence are hollow.
Trivial perhaps but revealing none the less.NI has been screwed by Westminster, the rest are just trivial.
That's what I've said all through this, the unionists won't use violence, so it's easier for the British government to cave in to actual terrorists who will.
Sad days caused by a spineless PM.
What ideology? What majority? I think I recall correctly that DUP areas voted for Brexit so why would DUP not drive for that especially since the uk majority also voted for that?Unionist DUP, driving ahead with their ideology AGAINST the wishes of the MAJORITY of the people, is the root cause of where we are today.
The protocol wasn't on the ballot paper though. At the end of the day, the only reason the customs checkpoint isn't on the border is because of the threat of violence from dissidents. Its nothing to do with good friday agreement, that's just an easy out for the government to appease the unionists as their threats of violence are hollow.
What ideology? What majority? I think I recall correctly that DUP areas voted for Brexit so why would DUP not drive for that especially since the uk majority also voted for that?