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shearerlad

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Galloways calm down if handled reasanable easy limmys don’t they remain nutters all their days, the poster is not clutching at straws he is 100% correct

Pages of shyt that your the main contribute’r , well done 👏
Your first part is IMO the worst post on the whole of TFF.
My herd of 85 cows contains roughly 60 limmys, ranging from half to pure bred. The other 25 are mainly BB cross and a few sim and SH. They are all put to limmy bulls
Hands down the worst temperament is a sim cow.
All the spring calves through the crush at weaning, not even a look at a kick, same with the calves sold last week.
As it is said so many times on here, more variations within than between breeds. You simply CANNOT say that ALL limmys are nutters. It’s just not true
 

jamesy

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Your first part is IMO the worst post on the whole of TFF.
My herd of 85 cows contains roughly 60 limmys, ranging from half to pure bred. The other 25 are mainly BB cross and a few sim and SH. They are all put to limmy bulls
Hands down the worst temperament is a sim cow.
All the spring calves through the crush at weaning, not even a look at a kick, same with the calves sold last week.
As it is said so many times on here, more variations within than between breeds. You simply CANNOT say that ALL limmys are nutters. It’s just not true
I switched from a herd that was 50% made up of Limx cows nearly 20 years ago and introduced Simmental. I’ve never looked back with an ounce of regret. But I’m a great believer in if it works for you great but what works for one doesn’t necessarily work for others. So many variables in farming.
 

Hilly

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Your first part is IMO the worst post on the whole of TFF.
My herd of 85 cows contains roughly 60 limmys, ranging from half to pure bred. The other 25 are mainly BB cross and a few sim and SH. They are all put to limmy bulls
Hands down the worst temperament is a sim cow.
All the spring calves through the crush at weaning, not even a look at a kick, same with the calves sold last week.
As it is said so many times on here, more variations within than between breeds. You simply CANNOT say that ALL limmys are nutters. It’s just not true
In general they quite simply are ! If in general limmyx were not so mental I reckon you would still see a lot more Limmy bulls getting used the temprement of Limmy x cattle is a big thing now folk are sick of their behaviour and moved away from them because of it , farmers tell me this often , like the bloke I met at the mart didn’t know weather to explode in temper or cry as he had missed the sale could t get them in and desperately needed them sold.
 

Hilly

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All that rear end meat for mincing .....
Expensive mince tho 🤨😂 As a guy I was taking with last week a native breeder said when he has groups of young farmers round his farm for open day he finishes with a question , are you going out for a meal tonight girls n boys , yes they always say going to have big steaks tonight , oh fillet sirloin? Aye , not rump then 😂 think about that when your eating your fillet lamenting about big arse cattle 😂.
 

Henarar

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Expensive mince tho 🤨😂 As a guy I was taking with last week a native breeder said when he has groups of young farmers round his farm for open day he finishes with a question , are you going out for a meal tonight girls n boys , yes they always say going to have big steaks tonight , oh fillet sirloin? Aye , not rump then 😂 think about that when your eating your fillet lamenting about big arse cattle 😂.
nart wrong with a good rump
and rump steak is good to :ROFLMAO:
 

egbert

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Hang on a minute
You reckon if a limmy is wild it’s the breed but if a Galloway is wild it’s because how it’s not been handled. Sounds like you are scraping the barrel now!!
Thats exactly what I am not saying.

Taken as a neutral sample, the wildest suckled calves/stores coming through the mart where I worked as a lad were quite evidently the lims.
It's also certainly true that 'unhandled' semi-feral cattle of extreme hill operations show wild tendencies....irrespective of breed*.
It's coincidental that most would have been Galloways/WBs
Indeed, I then recounted a tale of one of the worst animals I've ever handled, which was a WB x lim, raised miles out from human contact. I've bred thousands, and handled many many thousands of hill cattle, but that one was at the top of the shop for fruit loopery.
*funnily enough, one of the worst offenders for wild cattle coming through that mart kept hereford cross cows....his stock were always nuts

I have written books on it. A lot of it is in the handling, which in turn is often down to a farmers state of mind/upbringing/ home life....really really, I've watched that unfold on farms I know well.

Then there is also clearly an inheritable element to it, and I'd hardly be honest if I pretended Galloways are the most docile by nature.
Equally, I respectfully suggest it would be dishonest to say Lims are the quietest by nature.

Breed what you like.
Where I could keep lims, I can keep South Devons, and there ain't much choice there if you want a quiet life.
 
Thats exactly what I am not saying.

Taken as a neutral sample, the wildest suckled calves/stores coming through the mart where I worked as a lad were quite evidently the lims.
It's also certainly true that 'unhandled' semi-feral cattle of extreme hill operations show wild tendencies....irrespective of breed*.
It's coincidental that most would have been Galloways/WBs
Indeed, I then recounted a tale of one of the worst animals I've ever handled, which was a WB x lim, raised miles out from human contact. I've bred thousands, and handled many many thousands of hill cattle, but that one was at the top of the shop for fruit loopery.
*funnily enough, one of the worst offenders for wild cattle coming through that mart kept hereford cross cows....his stock were always nuts

I have written books on it. A lot of it is in the handling, which in turn is often down to a farmers state of mind/upbringing/ home life....really really, I've watched that unfold on farms I know well.

Then there is also clearly an inheritable element to it, and I'd hardly be honest if I pretended Galloways are the most docile by nature.
Equally, I respectfully suggest it would be dishonest to say Lims are the quietest by nature.

Breed what you like.
Where I could keep lims, I can keep South Devons, and there ain't much choice there if you want a quiet life.
To make a fair assessment of anything you need to treat both equally not blame the breed for one then make excuses for the other
 

egbert

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To make a fair assessment of anything you need to treat both equally not blame the breed for one then make excuses for the other
what? like shovelling 500-600 strange beasts of 10 different breeds through the pennage week after week?
That'd give you a pretty fair idea wouldn't it?
 
what? like shovelling 500-600 strange beasts of 10 different breeds through the pennage week after week?
That'd give you a pretty fair idea wouldn't it?
If you read back what you had written about limmy and Galloway cattle it’s clear that you already have decided what the answer needs to be
 

egbert

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If you read back what you had written about limmy and Galloway cattle it’s clear that you already have decided what the answer needs to be
Maybe that's the way you're seeing it. It isn't what I intended.
I don't know where we can take this.

I haven't trawled through the whole post - I'm wholly unexcited by a lim making £250k.
It doesn't prove 'lims are best' any more than a £50k blackie tup proves blackies are best.
(which has given rise to the whole hokum idea that you measure a blackie tup by how much you paid for it...when some of the best I've had were feral unmarked strays bred by forest pixies on the hill. sometimes a bottle of scotch might be sent to the presumed breeder!)

If anything, I suspect there's a cross pollination going on between subsidised farmers spending their subs feeding loss making beasts -whilst pretending to themselves that they're in profit, and a 'wannabe in the top dollar club' investment scheme.
As we've already identified, lims don't tend to proliferate where there's no direct subs.
that alone probably says more than I can.

I think I also pointed out, several days ago, that if the 'best' in the country is only worth £250k, then the job is evidently bollixed.

Good luck with em.
 

Henarar

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If you read back what you had written about limmy and Galloway cattle it’s clear that you already have decided what the answer needs to be
The only cow we have sent on for bad temperament was a Angus cross Sim, bloody good cow but come finish you took your life in your hands.
that said we have had plenty of crosses with both of those breeds in that have been fine.

odd thing with limmys is the pure bred ones seem fine its the cross bred ones that can be a bit sharp
 
what? like shovelling 500-600 strange beasts of 10 different breeds through the pennage week after week?
That'd give you a pretty fair idea wouldn't it?
I went to a market to sell a few cast cows and a young bull about 10 years ago.
The young bull was being sold fat because he was a bit quicker than is have liked to sell as a breeding bull.
I'd said to the main yardsman that he was a bit wild, and he just grinned and said, "boss you haven't seen wild".
Fat day is probably 30 to 40% lim (as the Limophiles on here are so keen to point out) and the yards man was correct, I hadn't seen wild until I saw those mental things, bullocks and heifers charging market staff in the ring.
I thought our young bull might have been a bit of an affront having never been in a shed before, but he came in and just stood in the middle of the ring and looked around him and then wandered out after he was sold, I was quite proud that he was the wildest we had to offer when I saw the market standard, particularly since most were cattle that were fattened indoors and would have been pretty well handled by comparison.
 

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