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Cowmansam

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Livestock Farmer
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Shropshire
Biggest problem with uk farming is feck about farmers just doing the same old same old because that’s all they are happy doing losing money left right and center if the land can’t support cattle stick sheep or goats in it you might have a chance of making a profit
 

Bill the Bass

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
In very real terms, stats show we're all running a hobby...it just that some of us haven't realised it yet.
I found the realisation helped no end.

And I'm sorry. I hadn't realised you had to be a 'fan' to comment on a thread.

What you saying sorry for it’s free country and a fairly relaxed forum - fill your boots, insult away as you like.
No one said you had to be a fan. Point is, you won’t catch me or some one like @livestock 1 shouting stinking fish on a thread about native cattle then complaining about someone’s character if we get it back both barrels

It’s pretty lame.
 

Hilly

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Biggest problem with uk farming is feck about farmers just doing the same old same old because that’s all they are happy doing losing money left right and center if the land can’t support cattle stick sheep or goats in it you might have a chance of making a profit
I don’t see that as a problem for anyone other than themselves, nothing to do with me what someone else dose ?
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
In well aware how the system works but how the hell can you comment on here calling out other people’s systems when yours is not just slightly unproductive it’s an enormous financial drain how is cost of production 150 percent if you don’t feed and the cattle stay out either a lot are dropping dead or your not telling the full truth on your inputs
I'm not sure that my cattle are 'unproductive', and it's certainly not true that I don't feed them.
1300-1500 round bales a year go somewhere, and annual hard feed would be circa 25 tonnes, inc what goes in the sheep.
Losses?
Yup, I get them....thought we all did.
I could certainly 'do better', and more, but try to find the balance.

Where does the money go? It's always going somewhere, that's for sure.
I've got miles and miles of boundaries, both stone walls and fences...one enclosure alone is several miles around.
Juggling how to manage the decline of viability in miles of stone walls in a national park is a matter of some debate.
I've shouldered extensive liabilities pre-dating my succession.
The ditches draining wet patches are a good point. A 'good' farmer would have put a machine in, moved the rocks, and replaced/mechanised all the hand dug ditches. I barely touched the concept, and subsequently have places that excite various moss huggers. some of them have cheque books in hand.....

I'm getting near the end of my career now, and I suppose the final judge will be how i leave the place, and how much I've 'taken out'.
So far, I consider it's in better shape than it was, and meantime I've taken a fair reward out.
 

Cowmansam

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
I'm not sure that my cattle are 'unproductive', and it's certainly not true that I don't feed them.
1300-1500 round bales a year go somewhere, and annual hard feed would be circa 25 tonnes, inc what goes in the sheep.
Losses?
Yup, I get them....thought we all did.
I could certainly 'do better', and more, but try to find the balance.

Where does the money go? It's always going somewhere, that's for sure.
I've got miles and miles of boundaries, both stone walls and fences...one enclosure alone is several miles around.
Juggling how to manage the decline of viability in miles of stone walls in a national park is a matter of some debate.
I've shouldered extensive liabilities pre-dating my succession.
The ditches draining wet patches are a good point. A 'good' farmer would have put a machine in, moved the rocks, and replaced/mechanised all the hand dug ditches. I barely touched the concept, and subsequently have places that excite various moss huggers. some of them have cheque books in hand.....

I'm getting near the end of my career now, and I suppose the final judge will be how i leave the place, and how much I've 'taken out'.
So far, I consider it's in better shape than it was, and meantime I've taken a fair reward out.
That’s fair enough your farming in your way for different reasons but I can’t see how you can slate other breeds or top price breeding animals when in the reality if you went that route yourself would probably make the most sense fewer stock of higher value
 

Hilly

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What you saying sorry for it’s free country and a fairly relaxed forum - fill your boots, insult away as you like.
No one said you had to be a fan. Point is, you won’t catch me or some one like @livestock 1 shouting stinking fish on a thread about native cattle then complaining about someone’s character if we get it back both barrels

It’s pretty lame.
Reading through I can’t help but notice yourself that started the insults like , your post about the mans cattle was bang out of order and shows you up big time.
 

Hilly

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That’s fair enough your farming in your way for different reasons but I can’t see how you can slate other breeds or top price breeding animals when in the reality if you went that route yourself would probably make the most sense fewer stock of higher value
Top prices are just vanity is what he’s saying and I agree with him , the job is all relative , top dollar is nice but it comes with top dollar brown envelops just as much to be made at the bottom of the spectrum as the top and with a lot less risk/man hrs etc etc infact I think more to made at the other end of the spectrum but them on the vanity Hamster wheel will never see it ! Non so blind as them that can not see .
 

Cowmansam

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
Well if it doesn’t make money I would say that it isn’t sustainable if there wasn’t so many producing at a loss the price would be better over all and I say that as someone milking cows which is the same if not worse for the issue
 

Hilly

Member
Well if it doesn’t make money I would say that it isn’t sustainable if there wasn’t so many producing at a loss the price would be better over all and I say that as someone milking cows which is the same if not worse for the issue
I didn’t read he was producing at a loss I read he got 600 for his calves and his cop was 150 ? Say minus tags haulage commission £400 net , I bet that’s more than some top price fat cattle net proffit .
 

Cowmansam

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
Oh I know that but it does irk me sometimes when it’s very hard to get your own start as there’s so many just clinging on for the sake of it . I think the next few years with a change in subs will be very interesting
 

Cowmansam

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
I didn’t read he was producing at a loss I read he got 600 for his calves and his cop was 150 ? Say minus tags haulage commission £400 net , I bet that’s more than some top price fat cattle net proffit .
The way I read it was his costs was 150% of his sale prices but I may be wrong
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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