The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

Grass And Grain · Feb 20, 2021

I wouldn't like to trust RT to run a simplified scheme. We'd get mission creep again.

Board structure needs to change.

I'd prefer AHDB or farmer owned, then everyone leave RT. If we need anything at all.

jonnieboy · Feb 20, 2021

Humble Village Farmer said:
I hope you're not spouting off on social media in a naïve and back stabbing manor @jonnieboy !

No not me
Not my style

db9go · Feb 20, 2021

SilliamWhale said:
Great. I'm ready to contribute financially if needs be. As a point of principal its important

I would help with some £££

WOODCHIP · Feb 20, 2021

More than happy to put funds in to fight them

MrNoo · Feb 20, 2021

WOODCHIP said:
More than happy to put funds in to fight them

Snap

Grass And Grain · Feb 20, 2021

db9go said:
I would help with some £££

WOODCHIP said:
More than happy to put funds in to fight them

MrNoo said:
Snap

Don't like spending brass, and running OK on fresh air atm. That might change soon though, then I think a bit of investment might be worth while. Good to know there's plenty of us to help.

DrWazzock · Feb 20, 2021

I’ll contribute as well. Keep up the good work. Well done. Over and above the jesting and ranting there is a serious and valid argument to be made.

simon w · Feb 20, 2021

count me in good work

simon w · Feb 20, 2021

Not really relevant but I had great respect for the old HGCA I know some would disagree but they provided a good umbrella organisation for growers. Now we have AHDB who try to be a jack of all trades and red tractor which is just a pack of lies. Perhaps a new HGCA could provide a better platform

Steevo · Feb 21, 2021

Feldspar said:
The poles payment is a good point. I always feel the payments are very low.

They even reviewed it a few years ago to account for the hassle factor. Only raised the payment by pence per pole.

Steevo · Feb 21, 2021

Clive said:
Imports are usually assured under a reconsigned scheme and have to be to meet AIC standards - however such schemes start at merchant level and NOT FARM level like RT - so imports carry no FARM assurance at all, just MERCHANT assurance (covers transport and storage only not growing)

This lack of FARM assurance is good enough for AIC on imports ......... BUT .......... seemingly not good enough for UK produce where they insist assurance must start at farm level

This is the rub of the issue and the potential area for legal challenge as it's clearly distorting the marketplace /placing UK growers at a disadvantage

AHBD have been asked if they are interested in helping as their remit is to create access to markets and AIC are placing barriers in front of UK growers that are not present for overseas farmers

I wonder if that is why RT dropped this original logo:

Breakthru · Feb 21, 2021

nickf said:
Just an observation and not a criticism: I don’t believe there is or would be any ”..extra quality” with a RT vs farmer led/self assessed scheme.

That would be for RT to prove. If Weetabix etc want to keep that as their standard then farmers would have to decide if they wanted to keep supplying at the same price as lower assurance scheme grain. It's a free choice. If Weetabix etc can't find enough RT qualified supplies at that price then they would have to pay more to get farmers to enter that system

texelburger · Feb 21, 2021

Grass And Grain said:
I wouldn't like to trust RT to run a simplified scheme. We'd get mission creep again.

Board structure needs to change.

I'd prefer AHDB or farmer owned, then everyone leave RT. If we need anything at all.

Totally agree.

Grass And Grain · Feb 21, 2021

Breakthru said:
That would be for RT to prove. If Weetabix etc want to keep that as their standard then farmers would have to decide if they wanted to keep supplying at the same price as lower assurance scheme grain. It's a free choice. If Weetabix etc can't find enough RT qualified supplies at that price then they would have to pay more to get farmers to enter that system

That's right. We would see if RT commands a premium over import standards. Then the end user and the farmer can choose to use RT or not. Things would play out over the next year or so.

If RT gives a premium for grains farmer 'x' grows, then he/she can choose to remain RT assured. If farmer 'y' doesn't see a premium for the grain he grows, then he could decide to just produce to the AIC imports standards, and cut out the RT cost in future.

MrNoo · Feb 21, 2021

Steevo said:
They even reviewed it a few years ago to account for the hassle factor. Only raised the payment by pence per pole.

Got most of ours put underground, we dug the trench they put the cables in, had 14 in one field!!! They still pay me mind and have done for the last 20 years or so despite very few poles on the place

steveR · Feb 21, 2021

Grass And Grain said:
I wouldn't like to trust RT to run a simplified scheme. We'd get mission creep again.

Board structure needs to change.

I'd prefer AHDB or farmer owned, then everyone leave RT. If we need anything at all.

AHDB led, and/or Farmer owned.

RT will then adapt.... or die.

Grass And Grain · Feb 21, 2021

steveR said:
AHDB led, and/or Farmer owned.

RT will then adapt.... or die.

Good text highlighted in bold.

jonnieboy · Feb 21, 2021

Supermarkets empty people to design packaging to sell products I presume?
so they know what the consumer wants to see
Price and Union Jack
We as customers of red tractor should be asking why we have been relegated to the small print ?

Bob lincs · Feb 21, 2021

My wife and I went to Tesco today and made a real effort to look for Red Tractor logos on food . We found quite a lot on meat products but a few said packed in the the uk not meat produced in the uk . Most milk was RT but not one single loaf of bread / roll or grain based product (apart from weetabix ) could be found displaying the logo we are all so proud of

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redsloe · Feb 21, 2021

jonnieboy said:
Supermarkets empty people to design packaging to sell products I presume?
so they know what the consumer wants to see
Price and Union Jack
We as customers of red tractor should be asking why we have been relegated to the small print ?
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Who is ashfields? I went into aldi last week and most of the meat was stickered with them. Buying group or something?

The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

Would you leave or remain a Red Tractor ACCS member ?

Yes, I would resign my Red Tractor (ACCS) membership and join a new "equal to imports" Scheme

No, I would remain in the Red Tractor scheme

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100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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