Blood sucking ahdb

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
Don't forget AHDB employs plenty of younger people too. Many move to the area after their degrees and live in shared housing with people they've not met before. Not all of them in that bracket, far from it, but lots from the markets, comms and admin teams are.
That wasn't so much directed at AHDB staff as HM's work mates but point taken and no individual criticism meant to anyone who's circumstances I don't know.
you may note that I have not said that they are not working or just lazing around as I would have no way of knowing and I wouldn't criticise office workers on the whole, they are welcome to the job I wouldn't be up for it or the daily commute.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Why can't they unwind after work ?
Brother is an IT manager and has worked from home for most of the last year, he is in his "office" from 9 to 5 with an hour for lunch and is strict about it, no 45 min commute though so he can unwind by taking the dog for a walk instead of sat in a car, much more relaxing I would think. All about discipline I spose

Sorry, missed this earlier..

They can't unwind because they never leave it. The fact that you leave your 'office' for half an hour means nothing if you then come back and sleep in it afterwards, with the office desk at the foot of your bed too. Your brother has a spare room, I imagine, and a garden too perhaps. I'm lucky too in that regards, but there are so many who aren't.
 

simon w

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hayling Island
Unless you're taking a look at my tractor seat, the word is grammar ;). My error wasn't so much a problem with grammar though as a typo - which is easy to do on a small phone and with the letters next to each other on the virtual keyboard - what's your excuse?

FWIW, I don't tend to worry so much about perfection when it's a forum, but I would have proof checked that at least once if it was an important message.

I take it though that if that's your only problem with my post 2173 then you agree that WR is well out of line with his earlier posts. Whatever the position is on the worthwhile or not of the wider organisation and levy, we need to remember that the careers and livelihoods of well meaning individuals who want to do the best for our indistry is at stake here, and they deserve a fair and honourable critique, at least.
Same goes for "indistry" don't forget you started this. I only put one letter wrong in email and you made fun of it.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Same goes for "indistry" don't forget you started this. I only put one letter wrong in email and you made fun of it.

No, I didn't make fun of it and you have my apologies if you took it like that. And I don't think you did just put one letter wrong either - as I have explained more than once I think you asked the wrong question and now have an answer that doesn't allay your initally stated concerns.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
Sorry, missed this earlier..

They can't unwind because they never leave it. The fact that you leave your 'office' for half an hour means nothing if you then come back and sleep in it afterwards, with the office desk at the foot of your bed too. Your brother has a spare room, I imagine, and a garden too perhaps. I'm lucky too in that regards, but there are so many who aren't.
Fair enough, I spose its what you get use to, I don't leave it altogether as I live in the middle of it and the paperwork is in most rooms but I can "leave it" when I want to but if your not use to it your not I spose.
When I was driving a lorry for someone else I would bring it home a lot of nights just to save the drive to work and that wasnt far, out first thing in the waggon and gone.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Fair enough, I spose its what you get use to, I don't leave it altogether as I live in the middle of it and the paperwork is in most rooms but I can "leave it" when I want to but if your not use to it your not I spose.
When I was driving a lorry for someone else I would bring it home a lot of nights just to save the drive to work and that wasnt far, out first thing in the waggon and gone.

It's a different dynamic when you are working for yourself or part of a team - the things that you would do in an office environment and think nothing of (2 minute chat at the kettle) become guilt trips when you're at home (oh my, I need to get back from the loo before my system logs me as inactive). All of a sudden the hours of attendance blur too, and you're checking your emails when you should be sleeping. Believe me, it's not healthy.
 

simon w

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hayling Island
Some people within the ahdb treated me very unfairly by not responding to phones calls and emails about a lost returns form. This led to a penalty charge which I paid because a bad dept would not look good on my credit rating. There are many who work very hard for the industry I will be very sorry if they were to be made redundant.
 
WR - I thought you were John Bratley who was at the town hall, if you are not then I apologise for the case of mistaken identity. Not for calling you a liar however, as you have lied on this thread often. As I say Adrian Cunnington himself was in the Town Hall meeting from 11th of Feb, so there is the proof for at least one of your lies.

I only ever came on to this thread to correct what at the time I hoped were honest mistakes about the information you were posting, it has become plainly obvious that you will post anything you think will help your cause. It is a shame because I think you are quite entitled to the ballot and your opinions. You're not entitled to your own made up facts though.
Thank you ex ahdb staff member for the apology even if it was half hearted, I was beginning to wonder if you would manage it before I finally call it a day, I have been told to stop completely by the management when the potato ballot result is out win or lose. I do hope potato growers realise that this is their only chance to rid themselves of these people there will never be another. I hope common sense prevails and growers realise that this is the 21st century and all the information they need is at their fingertips, we do not need a top heavy organisation taking 68 million out of the Industry with 27 million for administration, the ahdb is a dinosaur no longer fit for purpose.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
68 million out of the Industry with 27 million for administration

I’ll bite - how do you get 27 million of admin costs from these figures?
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Stuart J

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Mixed Farmer
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UK
I’ll bite - how do you get 27 million of admin costs from these figures?
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Good point. I take it from that that the whole of AHDB's admin cost is £8mil. Not £27mil.

The information is only at peoples fingertips @White rabbit because the AHDB among others to a lesser degree have already done the work and provided the funding to make it so.
 
Good point. I take it from that that the whole of AHDB's admin cost is £8mil. Not £27mil.

The information is only at peoples fingertips @White rabbit because the AHDB among others to a lesser degree have already done the work and provided the funding to make it so.
Do you know any more jokes Stuart j , I will say it again why doesn’t the levy payers agree with you, it is 5 million admin just for horticulture alone.
 
Which figures do you use to come to that then? The annual report has it at much less.

Or are these just more of your lies?
there is 250 million or more in the pension pot, how did that get there,500 staff at a minimum 40,000 some on six figures that is 20 million at the very least. 8 million come on get your calculator out.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
there is 250 million or more in the pension pot, how did that get there,500 staff at a minimum 40,000 some on six figures that is 20 million at the very least. 8 million come on get your calculator out.

Gotcha - you haven’t got a clue about business, have you? The accounts are published and show what they do, but you just make up stuff instead. Never mind the truth or those you’re slandering, just tell lies and more lies.

Oh, and pension funds are part of staff wages, will have been built up over many years and be supporting many former staff as well as be saving for current.
 

Goweresque

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North Wilts
As Saphir said a vote Yes was a vote for reform. But what is reform? The ballot is like the 2016 referendum. Leave meant 17.4 million different things. A vote to 'reform' the levy funding will be same - how do you achieve consensus on how to spend the money - where to spend the money. There are countless threads on TFF slating AHDB for not focussing on the right things. If Agriculture were not so important to environment, food safety and security, and UK based Research organisations, I think if I were the minister I would say, feck em. Close it down. Allow any imports and let them get on with it!!

Its indicative that the AHDB are spinning that a vote for levy retention is a 'vote for change'. Its weird how they only get interested in change when their gravy train could hit the buffers.................... :rolleyes:

Its rather like when you've been insuring with the NFU Mutual for years and get a quote from another insurer that is 50% cheaper. When confronted they say 'Oh I expect we can match that!'. Oh no you won't, if you've been robbing me blind for decades, I'm not going to touch you with a barge pole.

As other have said, change can mean anything, and once the danger is past (if they were to win the vote) change would be out the window and it would be business as usual. Jesus, how many more times do voters have to fall the 'Vote for Change' shtick that the Establishment continually bamboozles them with?

The only change that is meaningful is abolition, and let some creative destruction happen. Everything else is business as usual, and fat pensions all round. Plus a Knighthood for Saphir if he can somehow con the peasants into voting to keep the NFU/AHDB gravy train on the rails.
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
Its indicative that the AHDB are spinning that a vote for levy retention is a 'vote for change'. Its weird how they only get interested in change when their gravy train could hit the buffers.................... :rolleyes:

Its rather like when you've been insuring with the NFU Mutual for years and get a quote from another insurer that is 50% cheaper. When confronted they say 'Oh I expect we can match that!'. Oh no you won't, if you've been robbing me blind for decades, I'm not going to touch you with a barge pole.

As other have said, change can mean anything, and once the danger is past (if they were to win the vote) change would be out the window and it would be business as usual. Jesus, how many more times do voters have to fall the 'Vote for Change' shtick that the Establishment continually bamboozles them with?

The only change that is meaningful is abolition, and let some creative destruction happen. Everything else is business as usual, and fat pensions all round. Plus a Knighthood for Saphir if he can somehow con the peasants into voting to keep the NFU/AHDB gravy train on the rails.

I did say in #2164 that it does look from the amount of umbrage within the body of the levy payers the system faces difficulties going forward as is regardless of the vote outcome. From the comment on here and feedback I pick up in my day job levy payers will only find out if they miss or value any of the services and R&D once they are no longer there. Be a case then of building back up. Interesting times.
 

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