EU: open borders, or else...

yin ewe · Feb 28, 2021

M-J-G said:
To be pedantic, up from what?
How do you know what the past years death rate was going to be without covid?

The actual figures are irrelevant. There is a difference in the way that different countries report covid deaths so the only true comparison between countries is the total number of deaths in relation to previous years. Perhaps other countries have had more flu deaths this year, the UK seems to have had very few deaths from flu.

Muck Spreader · Feb 28, 2021

bobk said:
Except France .....

Could be right. The problem with the AZ vaccine does seem to be the big inconsistency of the batches, especially when its being made in different vaccine plants around the world. They think the possible reason why the AZ trial in SA failed was because the batch had been made in India and had a low efficacy. This compared to one of the batches made in Belgium which was possibly overly high and people are then getting more noticeable side effects to it. The UK production may have just hit the sweet spot. Although separately, you have to be suspicious of the government cutting the individual batch tests from 20 days to just 4 . :scratchhead:

bobk · Feb 28, 2021

Muck Spreader said:
Could be right. The problem with the AZ vaccine does seem to be the big inconsistency of the batches, especially when its being made in different vaccine plants around the world. They think the possible reason why the AZ trial in SA failed was because the batch had been made in India and had a low efficacy. This compared to one of the batches made in Belgium which was possibly overly high and people are then getting more noticeable side effects to it. The UK production may have just hit the sweet spot. Although separately, you have to be suspicious of the government cutting the individual batch tests from 20 days to just 4 .

There's no doubt they're tickling the formulation as they go , but what can you do , the whole world needs vaccinating .

Breakthru · Feb 28, 2021

yin ewe said:
The actual figures are irrelevant. There is a difference in the way that different countries report covid deaths so the only true comparison between countries is the total number of deaths in relation to previous years. Perhaps other countries have had more flu deaths this year, the UK seems to have had very few deaths from flu.

As stated in the press virtually every death is recorded as Covid whether it is or not. The main reason being it saves the cost of an autopsy. Look at deaths in 2019 and number and % of autopsies. Look at 2020 figures. Probably numbers down and % a fraction of 2019

Hindsight · Feb 28, 2021

Breakthru said:
He wasn't quoting that, just the FDA query about not enough oldies in the trials.
We certainly know it is very effective in the oldies now we've done millions of them, just maybe a bit harsh on some. Also heard of a guy locally who had the jab, went out to his car and died of a heart attack. Don't know which vaccine and doubt if it was the cause anyway.

Gracious I am pleased I do not know you - knowing you seems to be an unlucky talisman. Might be easier is you old us of anyone you know who survived the vaccine unscathed,.

Hindsight · Feb 28, 2021

caveman said:
Lock down not that strongly adhered to from my observations...apart from kids not in school.
Seems just as busy out and about as always.

Half the kids are in school - amazing locally how many jobs are key workers - very wide latitude and it only has to be one parent. Just ask teachers.

Hindsight · Feb 28, 2021

Muck Spreader said:
Could be right. The problem with the AZ vaccine does seem to be the big inconsistency of the batches, especially when its being made in different vaccine plants around the world. They think the possible reason why the AZ trial in SA failed was because the batch had been made in India and had a low efficacy. This compared to one of the batches made in Belgium which was possibly overly high and people are then getting more noticeable side effects to it. The UK production may have just hit the sweet spot. Although separately, you have to be suspicious of the government cutting the individual batch tests from 20 days to just 4 .

Didn't think tey were bothering to test it all. Just get it those arms.

Charlie Gill · Feb 28, 2021

essex man said:
Doesn't prove anything other than deaths implied as being extra are really none of the sort.
As you know charlie

I was referring to your comment that the ASMR for 2020 was 9th highest in the last 20 years. To not be worse while COVID-19 was circulating must mean the actions taken must have had an effect surely?

le bon paysan · Feb 28, 2021

arcobob said:
Just as a matter of interest did they have sufficient test results from all the other age groups?

Not according to the Yanks.

le bon paysan · Feb 28, 2021

bobk said:
Meanwhile the three Scottish residents had flown to Scotland from Brazil via Paris and London, the Scottish government said.

Another present from Napolean

How is this Macrons fault?

M-J-G · Feb 28, 2021

yin ewe said:
The actual figures are irrelevant. There is a difference in the way that different countries report covid deaths so the only true comparison between countries is the total number of deaths in relation to previous years. Perhaps other countries have had more flu deaths this year, the UK seems to have had very few deaths from flu.

Perhaps we don't report as many deaths as covid as other countries do which would make us worse than we actually seem to be.

All we can go by are the stats provided and we seem to be doing pretty badly

bobk · Feb 28, 2021

le bon paysan said:
How is this Macrons fault?

Should've banned foreign flights , especially from Brazil

le bon paysan · Feb 28, 2021

bobk said:
Should've banned foreign flights , especially from Brazil

Any excuse , eehhy!

bobk · Feb 28, 2021

le bon paysan said:
Any excuse , eehhy!

Banned us quick enough

le bon paysan · Feb 28, 2021

bobk said:
Banned us quick enough

Quite right !

czechmate · Feb 28, 2021

bobk said:
Banned us quick enough

On the Facebook ex pats group (

) there are still loads of folk coming and going?

I suppose to come into France from Brazil you need a recent negative test?

bobk · Feb 28, 2021

czechmate said:
On the Facebook ex pats group ( ) there are still loads of folk coming and going?

I suppose to come into France from Brazil you need a recent negative test?

Need a negative test both ways here

Pasty · Feb 28, 2021

Nobody in the UK died from Flu in January. Yay.

They think you are stupid. You are.

czechmate · Feb 28, 2021

bobk said:
Need a negative test both ways here

That’s not a “ban” then

bobk · Feb 28, 2021

czechmate said:
That’s not a “ban” then

Can I enter France?
All travel to and from countries outside the European space is prohibited, unless there are pressing grounds for travel. Travel to and from countries within the European space is strongly discouraged.
Specific rules apply to hauliers.

Arrivals from within the European space
If you are arriving from a country on the list below (countries in the European space), you can enter France.

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