- Location
- Lincolnshire
Well that’s disappointing.
Sustainable Farming Incentive - Pilot Information (including PAYMENT RATES)
- Thread starter midlandslad
- Start date
- Location
- South Oxfordshire
Yes, nothing coy, entitled or true colours about that. If I don't want to jump through certain hoops I will do what I want to encourage wildlife and make my business as sustainable as possible. If someone wants to tell me how to manage my land, then I expect a fair level of compensation. I was in one of the first countryside stewardship schemes, and have been in past ELS and HLS, but feel that over the last five years, none of the schemes offer value for money or are fit for purpose.
Which is why it should all be going to PP.
As you and others have said, this is in danger of turning arable land that should be feeding the nation into a less productive mess of thistles and ragwort. Which no-one looks at anyway because, frankly, who goes to your neck of the woods on their jollies ?
However, the UK rural tourism industry is massive. Far more important than we are in terms of jobs. And it relies on a well managed - lets use the dreaded word sustainable - farmed landscape. What is the predominant land use in all of our AONB's ? The tourism angle on it own is enough justification for giving all area based money to PP, before you even get to the carbon sequestration and other eco benefits of grassland.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Be better spent repairing the roads. But know. Sympathies. Next thing yo know they will want weeds in the crops and no tramlines to take you back to Tennyson's days - and the farmers to wear smocks!!
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
I think we all need to see the fine print and exact rules. I took it same as you but then though that unlikely and that is was spring cropping land being referred to but without the exact rules do not know.
Will the smocks have to be embroided with "red tractor" and have some sort farm estate name on them like the staff on these estate/ farming co .s do , have reference no. on them and be a bright colour like the prisoners in a US chain gang ?
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Sadly many crop fed AD plants work out that way too. By the time you've allowed for the fuel, fertiliser and cultivation related emissions the final energy output is no longer carbon negative.
Using waste to fuel them was the original idea.
If you have some spare time search for "EROEI", energy return on energy invested, in ethanol production. It's the ideas hidden Achillies heel.
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
No, they'll carry supermarket sponsorship!
wont be needed as not producing anything
- Location
- South Molton
cover crops usually defined as none cash crop so I suspect not
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
I've got a 3 hour one this afternoon. Pre-Covid it was an all day physical meeting in Central London with delegates from across the UK.
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
It'll be what we get in return for them claiming our carbon sequestration as an offset......
- Location
- South Molton
As I said if you had read what I said, we will be having breaks, may take all day as information has to be collated at various points.
I obviously aren't as far up the tree as you to be dealing with DEFRA directly,
I’ve had time to read the detail now
i think the rates are irrelevant at these stage as they are pilot rates and will be claimed like css alongside bps by pilot farms,
as far as arable and soil standards are concerned (my areas of knowledge) I think it’s good, not much has changed since I saw that a few months ago
my only fear is it will push some down the notill road that lack the skills to make it work, they will need to work out how to avoid / minimise that
i think the rates are irrelevant at these stage as they are pilot rates and will be claimed like css alongside bps by pilot farms,
as far as arable and soil standards are concerned (my areas of knowledge) I think it’s good, not much has changed since I saw that a few months ago
my only fear is it will push some down the notill road that lack the skills to make it work, they will need to work out how to avoid / minimise that
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Agreed. I'm sure they'd find a way to avoid paying for that.
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
3hrs is totally unproductive, no one I’ve met at defra would dream of doing over an hour