Is it going to rain again or is this 1976 mark 2??

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unlacedgecko said:
You ignorant Aussie bästard. There’s loads of resilience in the system, it arrives every Jan as a big cash payment from the tax payer.
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Yawn.

It was a legitimate thread I thought quite rightly discussing how the dry spell will affect crops, fodder, and profit/ loss for UK farmers, summed up nicely by Dr Wassock's post. As per usual the trolls arrive with " my droughts bigger ", and the old worn cliche about farmers getting subsidy. All we need now is the elf n safety trolls to tell us about our poor safety attitude, and " arable farmers spend 8 months per year skiing " to complete the set......:poop:
 
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DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
It’s still dry here. Very dry and getting drier. I just know we will be a ton per acre down for the third year in a row.
Now I realise that’s not as bad as a full blown Aussie drought but I still think it’s worthy of comment.
I predict 2 tons per acre max on W Wheat on this farm this year.
Of course not all farms are the same. Some will not suffer much yield loss at all by dent of soil types and local geography. They will be smugly watching prices climb and good luck to them. But we’ll be burnt out again by June I reckon. Soil types, water holding capacity and winter drainage is king now. Not all land is made equal and buyers would do well to take heed of this as the climate becomes more extreme. Grade three land will become less and less forgiving.
 
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DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
midlandslad said:
Near enough all commodities are at record highs. If you can’t make money now you are in the wrong job!
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Beet it almost half the price it was 30 years ago, without even factoring in inflation of inputs and overheads and rents.
Wheat should be £500 per ton today if it had kept pace with our costs. Yields hit a plateau about 20 years ago. Haven’t really improved since. Less actives, more extreme climate, OSR is a complete lottery where was once kingpin break crop.
It has never been easier to “not make money” in farming.
 
Hilly

Hilly

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Location
Scottish Borders.
DrWazzock said:
Beet it almost half the price it was 30 years ago, without even factoring in inflation of inputs and overheads and rents.
Wheat should be £500 per ton today if it had kept pace with our costs. Yields hit a plateau about 20 years ago. Haven’t really improved since. Less actives, more extreme climate, OSR is a complete lottery where was once kingpin break crop.
It has never been easier to “not make money” in farming.
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Your not wrong, things trading are record highs yes , do farmers never look beyond turnover 😂 risk is also record high , mistakes problems can now cost very very dearly .
 
jerseycowsman

jerseycowsman

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Livestock Farmer
Location
cornwall
DrWazzock said:
It’s still dry here. Very dry and getting drier. I just know we will be a ton per acre down for the third year in a row.
Now I realise that’s not as bad as a full blown Aussie drought but I still think it’s worthy of comment.
I predict 2 tons per acre max on W Wheat on this farm this year.
Of course not all farms are the same. Some will not suffer much yield loss at all by dent of soil types and local geography. They will be smugly watching prices climb and good luck to them. But we’ll be burnt out again by June I reckon. Soil types, water holding capacity and winter drainage is king now. Not all land is made equal and buyers would do well to take heed of this as the climate becomes more extreme. Grade three land will become less and less forgiving.
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The Australians should expect drought, it’s the driest continent! We are slap bang in the middle of the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic, the last thing we expect is drought!
 
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DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
I was going to start a thread about who has the biggest crack but thought it might attract the wrong kind of attention. So instead I’ll just leave this here. And it’s not even May.
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Kidds

Kidds

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Horticulture
Location
Near Beeston Castle
Without trying to stir anything whatsoever.
This dry spring is worrying but it is also exactly the same as last spring (here anyway) and of the last 10 years at least 7 of them have been too dry for a big part of the year.
Also this last winter has been far too wet and not the only time it has been either, posts on here say pretty much the same as the above for a greater part of the country. We have been repeatedly warned about climate change so it should not be any surprise. Of course next year could be the complete opposite but we as farmers do have to prepare for such things.
So, why aren't you putting irrigation in, why aren't you putting reservoirs in, why aren't you changing your cropping programs or land management re cultivation techniques? Are your water supplies safe from prolonged hard frost in winter etc if not why not?
And if your returns cannot warrant the investment for the above then don't you need to question that too?

All the above applies just as much to me. I am planning irrigation and also how to deal with excess winter water. I am changing things to enable me to carry on with my current cropping but if I was younger and more ambitious I would be completely changing my whole business, crops, marketing and approach to how I try to make money off my farm.

I have always had the opinion that farmers have been pioneers for new ideas and ways of doing things, always ready to adapt to changes from whatever the source, always resilient and self reliant. From the responses on here regarding Brexit, RPA withdrawal, chemical withdrawal, climate changes, floods, droughts, market prices etc. I see a great deal of resistance/reluctance to adapt to the hand being dealt.
Imagine being a cooper, coal miner, wheelwright, typewriter manufacturer, photograph developer, carrier bag manufacturer etc. Things change and if you don't change or adapt you will be consigned to history.
 
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DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Kidds said:
Without trying to stir anything whatsoever.
This dry spring is worrying but it is also exactly the same as last spring (here anyway) and of the last 10 years at least 7 of them have been too dry for a big part of the year.
Also this last winter has been far too wet and not the only time it has been either, posts on here say pretty much the same as the above for a greater part of the country. We have been repeatedly warned about climate change so it should not be any surprise. Of course next year could be the complete opposite but we as farmers do have to prepare for such things.
So, why aren't you putting irrigation in, why aren't you putting reservoirs in, why aren't you changing your cropping programs or land management re cultivation techniques? Are your water supplies safe from prolonged hard frost in winter etc if not why not?
And if your returns cannot warrant the investment for the above then don't you need to question that too?

All the above applies just as much to me. I am planning irrigation and also how to deal with excess winter water. I am changing things to enable me to carry on with my current cropping but if I was younger and more ambitious I would be completely changing my whole business, crops, marketing and approach to how I try to make money off my farm.

I have always had the opinion that farmers have been pioneers for new ideas and ways of doing things, always ready to adapt to changes from whatever the source, always resilient and self reliant. From the responses on here regarding Brexit, RPA withdrawal, chemical withdrawal, climate changes, floods, droughts, market prices etc. I see a great deal of resistance/reluctance to adapt to the hand being dealt.
Imagine being a cooper, coal miner, wheelwright, typewriter manufacturer, photograph developer, carrier bag manufacturer etc. Things change and if you don't change or adapt you will be consigned to history.
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Fully agree with all of that. These sort of extremes concentrate the mind. We need to build resilience.
 
cows sh#t me to tears

cows sh#t me to tears

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Livestock Farmer
Location
southern riverina Australia
Bury the Trash said:
If i had a load of hungry Dairy cows to feed and silage running out i would be worried as well.

A lot of Dairy farming is hard work and day in day out you can't just go out and do something else .

Livestock need feed.
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People just need to think outside the box (square). And accept that not every year you make a (or the same) profit. Hell, sometimes you even make a loss. Sometimes even a big loss...
If crops wont finish or are likely to be pinched, the arable blokes should look at either chopping them early for dairies or taking them through to hay for dairies.
As you said, if its dry, dairies will be looking for feed too.

Been forced into 3 vast changes in thinking here in the last 15 years. You either learn to adapt or go the way of the dinosaurs. No one else will give a f:u:k if you go broke because you stuck your head in the sand. You just need to do what you have to.
P.s. that isnt aimed at anyone. It's just an observation and what we have learnt.
 
Ceri

Ceri

Member
Kidds said:
Without trying to stir anything whatsoever.
This dry spring is worrying but it is also exactly the same as last spring (here anyway) and of the last 10 years at least 7 of them have been too dry for a big part of the year.
Also this last winter has been far too wet and not the only time it has been either, posts on here say pretty much the same as the above for a greater part of the country. We have been repeatedly warned about climate change so it should not be any surprise. Of course next year could be the complete opposite but we as farmers do have to prepare for such things.
So, why aren't you putting irrigation in, why aren't you putting reservoirs in, why aren't you changing your cropping programs or land management re cultivation techniques? Are your water supplies safe from prolonged hard frost in winter etc if not why not?
And if your returns cannot warrant the investment for the above then don't you need to question that too?

All the above applies just as much to me. I am planning irrigation and also how to deal with excess winter water. I am changing things to enable me to carry on with my current cropping but if I was younger and more ambitious I would be completely changing my whole business, crops, marketing and approach to how I try to make money off my farm.

I have always had the opinion that farmers have been pioneers for new ideas and ways of doing things, always ready to adapt to changes from whatever the source, always resilient and self reliant. From the responses on here regarding Brexit, RPA withdrawal, chemical withdrawal, climate changes, floods, droughts, market prices etc. I see a great deal of resistance/reluctance to adapt to the hand being dealt.
Imagine being a cooper, coal miner, wheelwright, typewriter manufacturer, photograph developer, carrier bag manufacturer etc. Things change and if you don't change or adapt you will be consigned to history.
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Calm down mate its gonna pi*s down come May....!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤞
 

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