IS GREEN RENEWABLE ENERGY A CON?

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I've got an electric car. Bought it as it was 10p per mile cheaper than a comparable diesel. Written off to nil at 100k miles. Done 95k miles. Was offered plenty more than zero.

No Eco considerations. Ditto electric supply - I just switch to the cheapest. Could be Mexicans on a treadmill, or running a boiler from cremated grannies.

World is now full of Airbnb living, media nomads freelancing in social media influence management while investing in nebulous crypto that uses more electric than Argentina. So non-jobs, creating nothing, investing in thin air, eating hydroponic baby kale grown in led lighted containers, drinking £6 soy lattes so they can inform me what damage my growing grass is doing to the climate?

I'll use the savings for a month flying about in Asia before it all end up underwater. f**k them all. Just a stupid bandwagon.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
I've got an electric car. Bought it as it was 10p per mile cheaper than a comparable diesel. Written off to nil at 100k miles. Done 95k miles. Was offered plenty more than zero.

No Eco considerations. Ditto electric supply - I just switch to the cheapest. Could be Mexicans on a treadmill, or running a boiler from cremated grannies.

World is now full of Airbnb living, media nomads freelancing in social media influence management while investing in nebulous crypto that uses more electric than Argentina. So non-jobs, creating nothing, investing in thin air, eating hydroponic baby kale grown in led lighted containers, drinking £6 soy lattes so they can inform me what damage my growing grass is doing to the climate?

I'll use the savings for a month flying about in Asia before it all end up underwater. fudge them all. Just a stupid bandwagon.

I was chastised by a local last week in discussions over a local project they are asking for people to invest in. They told me that our, failed in planning, wind turbine project was nothing but a subsidy grabbing scheme. They then went on to explain that the investment in their scheme from the local community would be bolstered by government assistance.

I said you mean you'll get a subsidy from the tax payer and that's ok?
Pot kettle black!
 
The statistic on the radio the other day said that you had to drive an electric car 120 miles before it became more energy efficient than your diesel car.

That statistic doesn't tke into account the amount of environmental damage done finding the Lithium for the batteries though.
That can’t be right, that would seem to imply that it takes less energy to make an electric car than a diesel will use traveling 120 miles, a couple of gallons for plenty of modern diesels .

Trouble is a lot of folk are quite happy to accept and quote any old statistics no matter how ridiculous they are
 
I find those metal water bottles hilarious,the ethos is that buying one saves the planet,they must grow on trees.
Kids BBC at the weekend had a visit to a coffee grounds to logs recycling plant, sensible idea,. But the muppet presenter said that we can now save the planet with every cup of coffee drink.
Same programme had a teenagenkid visit some beavers in the UK, he got over enthusiastic and started saying stuff like thanks to the beavers there is now one natural part of england left,while everywhere else is destroyed.
A few minutes later he stated he was a city boy and it was one of his first trips to the countryside. Ideal choice then for an up and coming wildlife presenter.

Sorry gone off topic. But it shows now easy it to twist info regarding enviroment and wildlife.

Drinks taste so much nicer out of a chilly bottle than plastic mind!
 
Always makes me wonder how it all stacks up when I'm sitting at the level crossing waiting for yet another train load of wood chip (in it's own specaially dedicated trucks) to pass by on it's way from Immingham to Drax. :scratchhead:
This American wood must have a tremendously high calorific value if they can cart it half way round the world and still be efficient. :scratchhead:

Something to do with the Kyoto agreement (???) when the silly bu66ers all agreed to use some form of renewable energy to make it look like they were saving the planet :scratchhead:

That sort of daft thing has gone on forever . I took a load of coal once from Daw Mill near Coventry to Bristol docks. Tipped, went round the corner to Avonmouth and loaded up with coal from Columbia.
That went to Rugby Cement. Next town to Coventry.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
And then there is the usually rubbish like the toilet paper manufacturers say about every tree we cut down we plant 5 to replace it....the fact the 4 that were thinned out are used for something else is sweep aside.


Why can we find a way of using hedge trimmings in rotation?
Let them grow up for 5 years, trim the side and then top them out chip it and utilise them.
I read an article somewhere on the internet, about the traditional way of managing hedgerows for fire wood, of course the government trying to ban wood burners could put a stop to people being independent with their fuel needs.
 

Bill the Bass

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
a good article in the sunday times business section about the drax powerstation, the article said that it imports wood chip from lousiana usa to burn in the powerstation to create electricity and gets nearly £900 million a year in subsities from the govt how the hell does all that make sense ? one is it really all that green when you take all the energy used to cut the wood chip and then transport it to burn ? and why should we have to import it in the first place ? cant we either burn our own wood chip and pay our own people, or dare i say burn coal and employ , keep all the money in the uk economy, and what about the subsidy paid to burn this wood chip, guess whos pays that? the poor old general public ?

I think its a rhetorical question. Interesting that you mention Drax. One Rebecca Heaton, the sustainability Director at Drax, also sits on the governments Climate Change Committee - you know, the one that recommends that we reduce our red meat consumption, rewild the uplands and convert 30% of the UK's improved grassland to energy crops.

Conflict of interest? Much?

The whole climate change agenda stinks of cronyism, insider trading and big finance stealing a march on everyone else.
 
I think its a rhetorical question. Interesting that you mention Drax. One Rebecca Heaton, the sustainability Director at Drax, also sits on the governments Climate Change Committee - you know, the one that recommends that we reduce our red meat consumption, rewild the uplands and convert 30% of the UK's improved grassland to energy crops.

Conflict of interest? Much?

The whole climate change agenda stinks of cronyism, insider trading and big finance stealing a march on everyone else.
As the old saying goes, follow the money
 

Pan mixer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
That can’t be right, that would seem to imply that it takes less energy to make an electric car than a diesel will use traveling 120 miles, a couple of gallons for plenty of modern diesels .

Trouble is a lot of folk are quite happy to accept and quote any old statistics no matter how ridiculous they are
Sorry it was 120K miles
 
And it’s not just the fact that the wood chip is coming from Louisiana, as that is just the port. Think of all the different diesel powered machines involved in the harvest and processing of it, not to mention that I was told it’s a full days truck ride from the forested areas to the port !!
 
Baled waste leaves Hull docks to be burned in a plant in Europe somewhere.
Baled waste comes from Europe to Grimsby, or could be Immingham, dock to be burned here !!

Worst bit is that the imported bales have to be un-baled prior to burning. The machine they’ve nicknamed the fluffer is on the dock, so the trucks carry about half the payload they would if the fluffer had been put at the incinerator site.
 
Baled waste leaves Hull docks to be burned in a plant in Europe somewhere.
Baled waste comes from Europe to Grimsby, or could be Immingham, dock to be burned here !!

Worst bit is that the imported bales have to be un-baled prior to burning. The machine they’ve nicknamed the fluffer is on the dock, so the trucks carry about half the payload they would if the fluffer had been put at the incinerator site.
I’m just sitting here shaking my head in disbelief. Who comes up with these ideas? I presume they’re paid peanuts cos they sound like right monkeys
 

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