EU sausage war

Ncap said:

The Withdrawal Agreement was legally binding, signed by 'both sides'. And Bunter anyway refused repeatedly to consider any delay. And the UK had so, so much time to get its ducks in a row. So now to say, 'we didn't know' or 'we want this' is pathetic. I can only imagine the furore in the gammon press if it were the other way around. And it's not very adult at all.

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Your beloved EU and its supporters are utter hypocrites spouting 'international law' (doesn't exist anyway) and 'treaty obligations' while the EU collectively and individually breaks its own commitments all the time - and not regarding near irrelevances such as sausage movement, but about fundamental human rights.

Presumably you are up in arms about this and have written to them demanding they fulfill their obligations too, or are you minded to ignore that and just have a go at the UK in your post-referendum perma-sulk?

Danllan said:

Your beloved EU and its supporters are utter hypocrites spouting 'international law' (doesn't exist anyway) and 'treaty obligations' while the EU collectively and individually breaks its own commitments all the time - and not regarding near irrelevances such as sausage movement, but about fundamental human rights.

Presumably you are up in arms about this and have written to them demanding they fulfill their obligations too, or are you minded to ignore that and just have a go at the UK in your post-referendum perma-sulk?

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Which commitments and obligations have the Eu broken?

Agrostar said:

Which commitments and obligations have the Eu broken?

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Talking of sausages. Sow stalls? I'm sure the list is endless.

Agrostar said:

Which commitments and obligations have the Eu broken?

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Loads, but the most recent major ones are with regard to the human rights of African immigrants.

I wasn’t aware.
What happened the migrants?
any others?

Danllan said:

Loads, but the most recent major ones are with regard to the human rights of African immigrants.

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coughs *Priti Patel * coughs

le bon paysan said:

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​ Today's newspapers are full of talk of a coming "trade war" with the EU over... sausages. But the EU has not changed a single rule. So what is happening? The Brexit deal that the UK government signed – designed specifically to meet its red lines and demands – places Northern Ireland effectively within the EU single market, and the rest of the UK outside it. The EU didn't want to divide the country into two different trade zones – that was the UK's decision. There was a temporary carve-out for some food exports but that is now about to expire. So those sausages can't go to Northern Ireland. The British government is acting like this is an outrage – but it has been there in black and white in the deal all along. It is there because the UK insisted on refusing to align with EU food hygiene standards. They always knew this was coming. The government made it painfully obvious that it was going to renege on the final Brexit deal when it tried to pass a law last year that would have broken the withdrawal agreement. As Theresa May's former chief of staff Gavin Barwell put it, "They knew it was a bad deal but agreed it to get Brexit done, intending to wriggle out of it later". So the EU made sure to build in protections with teeth for when that happened. The EU has simply said that it the UK continues to openly ignore the rules it signed up to in the Brexit deal, then it will act "swiftly, firmly and resolutely to ensure that the UK abides by its international law obligations". Brexit Britain can't break the rules without consequences. ​

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Real time, living, slow motion proof that the British Brexit Establishment is incapable of negotiating trade deals, which don’t end up hurting itself and its citizens.
EU absolutely nailed the amateurs to the floor on this agreement. Japan cut and pasted the deal they had with the EU, chopped and changed the details to give themselves a better outcome, drafted it up, and told Lizzie where to sign.
Now the Aussies are up to the same tricks. Lizzie will buckle. No question.
This “sovereignty” thing isn‘t all that it’s cracked up to be….

Danllan said:

until mid 2019 we had a dishonest Remainer as PM, you know the type, claiming to want the best for the country... so nothing was done by Government. And then we had the Remainers in Parliament overstating all problems and understating all successes and doing their best to make things difficult, you know all about that... so nothing could be done by Government.

But then there was the General Election and in the following year huge numbers of trade deals that 'couldn't be done', were done. And still the Remainers moaned, you know how.

Nobody has advocated binning all formerly compulsory rules overnight, it will be a gradual process. But you are quite right, Brexit will be dead on Friday, because it will have ceased to be an issue, it will have been achieved.

We can wonder what will you have to whine about then; you'll be sure to find something...

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Sausages perhaps? And who is whining? Yip those that agreed to the wonderful deal.
No wonder there has been this desire for very short periods of scrutiny.

capfits said:

Sausages perhaps? And who is whining? Yip those that agreed to the wonderful deal.
No wonder there has been this desire for very short periods of scrutiny.

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Short scrutiny and rammed through parliament.

nivilla1982 said:

So British sausages going to one part of the UK to the other undermine the EU Single Market ?

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Because those meat products are then effectively within the EU and could be re-exported to Southern Ireland and onwards to any other EU country via a non existent border where there will be a difference in veterinary, sanitary and phytosanitary regulations.

The UK was party to formulating these rules as part of the EU

That difference being so that lower standard produce can permeate the UK from anywhere in the world to offer Joe and Mary Bloggs and their Blogettes a weekly saving on their food bill, or more likely allow the big food processors inflate their profits by reducing the quality of ready meal ingredients and improving their margins.

Courier said:

Because those meat products are then effectively within the EU and could be re-exported to Southern Ireland and onwards to any other EU country via a non existent border where there will be a difference in veterinary, sanitary and phytosanitary regulations.

The UK was party to formulating these rules as part of the EU

That difference being so that lower standard produce can permeate the UK from anywhere in the world to offer Joe and Mary Bloggs and their Blogettes a weekly saving on their food bill, or more likely allow the big food processors inflate their profits by reducing the quality of ready meal ingredients and improving their margins.

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Shouldn't the same apply to all EU products such as meat, cheese, yogurts etc entering the UK as well as flowers plants etc, these should all be subject to the same restrictions & paperwork!

BrianV said:

Shouldn't the same apply to all EU products such as meat, cheese, yogurts etc entering the UK as well as flowers plants etc, these should all be subject to the same restrictions & paperwork!

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There is/will be no problem at all with imports 'cos we have the lower standards....

BrianV said:

Shouldn't the same apply to all EU products such as meat, cheese, yogurts etc entering the UK as well as flowers plants etc, these should all be subject to the same restrictions & paperwork!

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but thanks to Boris betray deal. N.I is still in the EU. so anything entering NI must meet EU rules. the UK can apply what ever rules it wants (and that part of the problem as boris refused to pass in the Brexit bill that they would maintain standards)

Courier said:

There is/will be no problem at all with imports 'cos we have the lower standards....

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It's no joking mater, have you tasted some of this foreign food when abroad

The EU definition of risk to the Single Market appears to encompass supermarket consignments to UK chains in NI that do not operate in the ROI.

Really dont understand what the EU and UK are messing about at. Both are supposed to be wanting to keep the NI agreement as a top priority so just make NI a freeport like the IOM. That way its not technically in the EU or UK but can freely trade with both.

Agrostar said:

Which commitments and obligations have the Eu broken?

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Sorry for a slow reply, story-reading duty last night and then under boss's orders...

Back in the real world... the EU and all of its member states are obliged to sign up to and act according to the ECHR. It covers all areas of 'Human Rights' and makes specific provision for people from other countries in 'vulnerable' situations, in plain-speak that's refugees and asylum-seekers. One particular protection was drafted to ensure that people are assessed as individuals, rather than en masse.

Art. IV, Prot. IV, prohibits the collective expulsion of aliens from a signatory country / organisation and, most recently, this is directly applicable to Spain and the EU with regard to Spanish actions in its North African enclaves*. The Spanish kicked out over five and a half thousand people - men, women and children - in one go, using troops and armed police to do so. Astonishingly, far from keeping quiet / turning a bling eye to this, the EC (UVDL herself!) and other member states have lauded Spain's actions and offered support... in direct contravention to their national laws and treaty obligations under the ECHR.

In passing, these Spanish enclaves have walls and fences that are precisely what President Trump proposed for the US border with Mexico, and that the EU as a whole and many of its member states individually condemned... I've not practised in HR law beyond doing basic stuff with the FRU during and just after study, but... I know enough of it to tell you that there is absolutely no doubt that Spanish actions have been in direct contravention of Art IV - it seems an awful lot of people across Europe who specialise in such work also think so. As for the EU's / EC's open, active and vocal support, it beggars belief.


*They're the ones opposite Gibraltar, that are in Morocco and which Morocco says are Moroccan and not Spanish, but Spain says a re Spanish - a wee bit of irony there considering Spain and Gib'...

JimAndy said:

coughs *Priti Patel * coughs

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Take a squint at what PHE wrote, so allowing the HO to house the immigrants there.

Courier said:

There is/will be no problem at all with imports 'cos we have the lower standards....

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Only if you don't accept @Pasty's point in re animal treatment...