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None of us know the real tempo of the negotiations. It could be that there was only two real options; accept want the EU were offering or no deal whatsoever. Perhaps the UK should have called their bluff and said “sorry we can’t accept these compromises so no deal” we’d probably be in a mess right now but down the line maybe better off. Is leaving is a precedence so it is in charted waters. The voters voted leave and it that didn’t suit the EU, you and millions of others but that’s our system of voting good or bad. Northern Ireland is a delicate matter and the EU know it so have used it as a lever in this exit matter.Real time, living, slow motion proof that the British Brexit Establishment is incapable of negotiating trade deals, which don’t end up hurting itself and its citizens.
EU absolutely nailed the amateurs to the floor on this agreement. Japan cut and pasted the deal they had with the EU, chopped and changed the details to give themselves a better outcome, drafted it up, and told Lizzie where to sign.
Now the Aussies are up to the same tricks. Lizzie will buckle. No question.
This “sovereignty” thing isn‘t all that it’s cracked up to be….
Have you ever actually been abroad and seen some of their standards, lots of times I think when there ,we wouldnt be allowed to do that.There is/will be no problem at all with imports 'cos we have the lower standards....
Have you ever actually been abroad and seen some of their standards, lots of times I think when there ,we wouldnt be allowed to do that.
So our standards are not lower then are they so why post it, you criticise politicians for making false statements yet you have just done the same.I have spent many months in EU countries and agree that the way regs are implemented domestically are far less rigorous than in the UK - But we are talking about International trade over borders
Shouldn't the same apply to all EU products such as meat, cheese, yogurts etc entering the UK as well as flowers plants etc, these should all be subject to the same restrictions & paperwork!
The thing is should Boris wake up & impose the same rules & regs it would be incumbent on the EU to make sure all their paperwork was in order before crossing the channel with all the bureaucracy that involved, couple of bumptious busy bodies our side & if paperwork not ok turn them around & send them back onto the next boat home! Life can easily be made more difficult for ALL concerned!Yes, but you have a government consisting of imbeciles who despite having 4.5 years to set it up, didn't do anything. Presumably they were waiting for the Brexit fairy to sort it all out!
I suppose Theresa May was a Brexit fairy, or certainly behaved like one. Anyway, as is usual, the point has been missed that it takes two sides to come to an agreement and the primary motive of one side was to deliberately make things difficult. Never mind, every dog has its day.Yes, but you have a government consisting of imbeciles who despite having 4.5 years to set it up, didn't do anything. Presumably they were waiting for the Brexit fairy to sort it all out!
David Trimble and others pushed this ideaOkay, what's the solution then? Seems to me we either need a border (NI/GB or NI/EU) or we need no reason to have a border (customs union/ agreement on standards). Is there a third way?
Maybe a simple free trade agreement with provisos that the EU have when it suits their purposeOkay, what's the solution then? Seems to me we either need a border (NI/GB or NI/EU) or we need no reason to have a border (customs union/ agreement on standards). Is there a third way?
David Trimble and others pushed this idea
Trimble makes the argument that some of the bodies created by the Belfast Agreement can be used to create the structure for such a system.A self policing land border without a border between EU and NI? I can't see that working, based on past history of the situation.
"This approach replaces the controversial minutiae of operational and technical procedures with a legal obligation on each side to ensure the enforcement of the other side’s rules and standards."
Do you think it would be viable?
Maybe a simple free trade agreement with provisos that the EU have when it suits their purpose
Absolutely.The thing is should Boris wake up & impose the same rules & regs it would be incumbent on the EU to make sure all their paperwork was in order before crossing the channel with all the bureaucracy that involved, couple of bumptious busy bodies our side & if paperwork not ok turn them around & send them back onto the next boat home! Life can easily be made more difficult for ALL concerned!
Seems sensible. Whats the catch?As already said at post 58 just make NI a freeport the same as the Isle of Man. It works well in IOM so why not NI. Basically goods would be able to move as free trade EU to NI or UK to NI but what is not allowed is EU to UK via NI and vice versa unless in sealed units with border control at NI ports making sure seals are still intact.Then normal rules like Dover Calais would apply. Job sorted.
Our standards have been tied into EU standards or sometimes higher, but politicians are hell bent on reducing those standards to allow surpluses from around the world to be dumped in the UK - That is why the EU will not be allowing unregulated exports to the EU including NI. There is nothing in these regulations which UK was unaware of when cobbling together the NI Protocol which protects the GFA.So our standards are not lower then are they so why post it, you criticise politicians for making false statements yet you have just done the same.