EU sausage war

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
The thing is should Boris wake up & impose the same rules & regs it would be incumbent on the EU to make sure all their paperwork was in order before crossing the channel with all the bureaucracy that involved, couple of bumptious busy bodies our side & if paperwork not ok turn them around & send them back onto the next boat home! Life can easily be made more difficult for ALL concerned!

Boris is also well aware if he stops food coming in from the EU without any alternatives he will literally have a major breakdown in civil order. Unfortunately, he could already be edging towards it with inconsistent Covid planning.
 

robs1

Member
Our standards have been tied into EU standards or sometimes higher, but politicians are hell bent on reducing those standards to allow surpluses from around the world to be dumped in the UK - That is why the EU will not be allowing unregulated exports to the EU including NI. There is nothing in these regulations which UK was unaware of when cobbling together the NI Protocol which protects the GFA.
We as part of the EU were party to drawing up those standards, we have no reason to lower those standards on safety or health grounds. However you say ministers are "hell bent" on reducing those standards can you show us one speech, article or suggestion from a single government minister that they are even thinking about it, just one will do.
 

HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer
We as part of the EU were party to drawing up those standards, we have no reason to lower those standards on safety or health grounds. However you say ministers are "hell bent" on reducing those standards can you show us one speech, article or suggestion from a single government minister that they are even thinking about it, just one will do.

You're not wrong, that isn't the stated policy of the government and I don't think it will become so. But you'd have to be pretty naïve to not know that is probably their long term goal for some of them... Leader of the House of Commons in 2016:

"Britain could slash environmental and safety standards 'a very long way' after Brexit, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says"
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
I can't see how being a freeport will sort the issue of divergent standards. It may solve customs and tax issues (may, but I'm not convinced), but divergent standards?
Whats divergent standards got to do with it. Its only goods into NI so if NI accepts both standards of EU and UK you dont have a problem. If NI produces goods for export to EU then it will have to meet EU standards if exporting to UK then UK standards. Whats not allowed under freeport rules is re export ie EU goods imported to NI then say repackaged for export to UK. In that circumstance goods would have to have trailer sealed in EU and unsealed in England Scotland or Wales at which point it could be repackaged. No different to goods coming in from EU via Calais Dover.
 

robs1

Member
You're not wrong, that isn't the stated policy of the government and I don't think it will become so. But you'd have to be pretty naïve to not know that is probably their long term goal for some of them... Leader of the House of Commons in 2016:

"Britain could slash environmental and safety standards 'a very long way' after Brexit, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says"
Did you read the article or just the headline. There was absolutely no mention of food, it was about goods and emissions was also mentioned
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Boris is also well aware if he stops food coming in from the EU without any alternatives he will literally have a major breakdown in civil order. Unfortunately, he could already be edging towards it with inconsistent Covid planning.
Not sure a little less food coming in from the EU is going to cause riots in the streets of London on the other hand a few less French goods coming across may well cause riots in Paris
 

HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer
Did you read the article or just the headline. There was absolutely no mention of food, it was about goods and emissions was also mentioned

I took environmental standards to include food. Appreciate it may not. but the overall intent of some Brexit supporting politicians has been to beocme more competitive by lowering standards and this is indicative of that.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
We as part of the EU were party to drawing up those standards, we have no reason to lower those standards on safety or health grounds. However you say ministers are "hell bent" on reducing those standards can you show us one speech, article or suggestion from a single government minister that they are even thinking about it, just one will do.
The Moggster, how many do you want, him and Gove. Google is your friend.

He warns her( May's) chance of a lucrative deal with the outside world will be wrecked unless she breaks free.

In a hard-hitting report, he urges Mrs May to spend less time bartering with Brussels and focus on countries who can deliver cheaper food and clothing — such as the US, India, China and Brazil.

In the report, backed by 60 MPs, Mr Rees-Mogg says removing tariffs on imported food would produce an instant benefit for Britain’s poorest.

Mr Rees-Mogg, tipped as a future Tory leader, said: “Brexit is a great opportunity for the UK to build a new independent trade policy that delivers jobs, cheaper food and clothing — an immediate Brexit dividend for the British people.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Whats divergent standards got to do with it. Its only goods into NI so if NI accepts both standards of EU and UK you dont have a problem. If NI produces goods for export to EU then it will have to meet EU standards if exporting to UK then UK standards. Whats not allowed under freeport rules is re export ie EU goods imported to NI then say repackaged for export to UK. In that circumstance goods would have to have trailer sealed in EU and unsealed in England Scotland or Wales at which point it could be repackaged. No different to goods coming in from EU via Calais Dover.

but that would mean 2 borders, one in the Irish sea to check the correct goods are ship to the UK, and on on the land to check the right goods are shipped to the EU. also it doesn't cover passport control to stop illegals entering the U
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Whats divergent standards got to do with it. Its only goods into NI so if NI accepts both standards of EU and UK you dont have a problem. If NI produces goods for export to EU then it will have to meet EU standards if exporting to UK then UK standards. Whats not allowed under freeport rules is re export ie EU goods imported to NI then say repackaged for export to UK. In that circumstance goods would have to have trailer sealed in EU and unsealed in England Scotland or Wales at which point it could be repackaged. No different to goods coming in from EU via Calais Dover.
But you do when you start importing from the Rest of the World. Mogg
In a hard-hitting report, he urges Mrs May to spend less time bartering with Brussels and focus on countries who can deliver cheaper food and clothing — such as the US, India, China and Brazil.
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
The protocol isn't the only factor , too many companies on the mainland simply can't be arsed to send stuff to NI , due to the extra paperwork which isn't arduous , presumably it's the same paperwork to get things over to mainland europe , it's all about scale .
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
The protocol isn't the only factor , too many companies on the mainland simply can't be arsed to send stuff to NI , due to the extra paperwork which isn't arduous , presumably it's the same paperwork to get things over to mainland europe , it's all about scale .

one of my mine grips isn't with the protocol. but with Poots. he spend the year before the protocol was due to start with hi head up his ass telling who ever would listen it isn't happing. instead of getting system in place to make things as smooth and easy as possible
 

turbo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
Whats divergent standards got to do with it. Its only goods into NI so if NI accepts both standards of EU and UK you dont have a problem. If NI produces goods for export to EU then it will have to meet EU standards if exporting to UK then UK standards. Whats not allowed under freeport rules is re export ie EU goods imported to NI then say repackaged for export to UK. In that circumstance goods would have to have trailer sealed in EU and unsealed in England Scotland or Wales at which point it could be repackaged. No different to goods coming in from EU via Calais Dover.
That’s never going to happen,how would Europe get rid of the shitty beef that they have been sending here for years!
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
but that would mean 2 borders, one in the Irish sea to check the correct goods are ship to the UK, and on on the land to check the right goods are shipped to the EU. also it doesn't cover passport control to stop illegals entering the U
No it means you need at least two dedicated ports for handling trade to NI. One in UK and one in ROI. All goods then go through NI clearing port,if goods for NI use then no need for checks as already carried out at dedicated ROI or UK port. If goods for onward trade between EU and UK then frieght enters bonded warehouse section of NI port and if from UK shipped direct to ROI port and vice versa. That way no commercial vehicle border is required between NI and ROI as frieght would go by dedicated sea route and no Irish Sea border. Trade between EU and UK would then need same documents as Dover Calais.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
The protocol isn't the only factor , too many companies on the mainland simply can't be arsed to send stuff to NI , due to the extra paperwork which isn't arduous , presumably it's the same paperwork to get things over to mainland europe , it's all about scale .
But there should be no need for extra paperwork. The supermarkets dont have this problem sending produce to the IOM so why should NI be any different.
 
but thanks to Boris betray deal. N.I is still in the EU. so anything entering NI must meet EU rules. the UK can apply what ever rules it wants (and that part of the problem as boris refused to pass in the Brexit bill that they would maintain standards)

Currently many food products have been re-directed to enter NI from the mainland UK via Southern Ireland.
(son’s partner is marketing analyst with a 98 year old international frozen food company)
 

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