Why do people dream up ideas like this ? KISS
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End of the Road for Small Livestock Farms?
- Thread starter Frank-the-Wool
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- Orkney
Are you thinking about a sub available years ago? Before area based payments and in the time of headage payments. One sub had two separate payments on steers at two different ages and that was limited to 90 claims per business. It was the Beef special premium scheme.
The current scheme, in Scotland, is called the Scottish Suckler Beef Support Scheme there is no limit to the number of claims you can make.
Or you in theory rent more land at a sensible price and create a more viable business , but with the payment system we have that would appear to be a tall order .
I haven’t seen beef so profitable in twenty years, as this year. Every class of stock making damn good money. Cull cows, in calf cows, cows with calf at foot, weanlings, stores, fats all absolutely flying. Costs are manageable, and attention to that aspect, health status and breeding makes the job worthwhile.
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
While we are discussing things, can I forward the motion to cull all land agents ? This will leave a lot more money and opportunity in the game
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- Essex
What you're missing is that 50 acres of grass and cattle is no longer viable. That's the tragedy here, not that someone has found a way of keeping it going by working off farm.
Look at the retail value of what they rear.
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
what we need to determine though is what is "big" because when i was out in the unsubsidised NZ and oz i noticed that in an unsubsidised world my farm is really rather small, anyone on here arguing that subs are bad for small farms should visit the ensubsidised world, or likewise go the the farms that get the most sub in the EU and ireland and you will notice farms are really very small, coincidence????????????
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- Essex
What you're missing is that 50 acres of grass and cattle is no longer viable. That's the tragedy here, not that someone has found a way of keeping it going by working off farm.
Look at the retail value of what they rear.
Look at the retail value of what they rear.
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
Aye, subs pay folk to farm as a hobby.
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
That my friend, is just tough.
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
if hes getting 20k a year sub to live off mabye he can, take that away from him though and no
glasshouse
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- lothians
My mistake
If that's aimed at me I wasn't getting any subsidy, I was just milking cows for the CWS. Never had any subsidy for most of my time farming until SFP came in.
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
no its not i claimed 170 last year
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
so remove subs our cop goes up £90/acre many farms cut back and foreign product displaces it, simples
He will need the sub to pay his rent , buy his stores and other inputs that he would have to compete with other subbed farmers for in the market place
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
boom and bust, just wait
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
is it, seems to have worked the last 30 years
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- Ceredigion
Pigs and Poultry have always been boom and bust . Dad told me that in 1965 when he packed them both in and specialised in dairy
Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
so thats worse now he doesnt have any way to pay his rent or the cattle