EU sausage war

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Do you ever consider the disrespect the EU Leaders and now Biden and the US administration show for 17.4 million British citizens who voted to leave the EU. Biden now as well as Macron, Merkel et al are showing no respect at all for those within the UK who voted to Leave. And won the referendum. You may well disagree with them but they should be respected - right or wrong.

Irrespective of how I personally voted, I am finding this totally abhorrent.

No reply and rebuttal required as I appreciate you are in the same camp.
Where the respect for the Protocol that Boris wanted , agreed and signed?
The EU have asked you to implement it as you agreed, you refuse to put the infrastructure in place. That's why it's not working.
You blame the EU for everything, do you want them to put logs on your fire as well?
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Where the respect for the Protocol that Boris wanted , agreed and signed?
The EU have asked you to implement it as you agreed, you refuse to put the infrastructure in place. That's why it's not working.
You blame the EU for everything, do you want them to put logs on your fire as well?
no, put the EU on the fire, do much more good!
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
It is time for the Government to stop talking about fixes to the Protocol and get on with taking the necessary steps to remove it.”

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And replace it with a permanent hard border which I assume then tears up the GFA. This is England's problem to solve, they wanted a Brexit at any price without bothering to consider or consult on the consequences, despite it being something that none of the other parties involved wanted.
 

Ashtree

Member
And replace it with a permanent hard border which I assume then tears up the GFA. This is England's problem to solve, they wanted a Brexit at any price without bothering to consider or consult on the consequences, despite it being something that none of the other parties involved wanted.

Exactly. Brexit the product of English nationalists dreaming of past empire glories and fundamentalist DUP flat earthers, brought this problem to NI, with no care for it’s consequences.
 

Ashtree

Member
Then how do you account for the significant number of leave voters outside England?

Minority in NI, minority in Scotland.
The argument that it’s a whole UK vote which counts, is fine and dandy until you consider NI in particular. It may be constitutionally in UK, but remember electorally in NI, unionism has lost its majority. Brexit was never going to do anything other than cause grief in NI. But like the empire wishful English Eton/Tory classes, the NI establishment unionist political class, still live in their dominant past position. Heads very, very firmly in the sand.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Think people need to realise what was negotiated for the IOM by the EU and UK


Then apply the same framework to NI and very few issues would remain outstanding. You even have a ready made parliament at Stormont that could make decisions like the IOM parliament.
Two fundamental problems. You aren't starting from the same position with IOM as it was never part of the EU and it has no land borders with the EU.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Then how do you account for the significant number of leave voters outside England?
I can only assume that anybody outside England who voted for Brexit didn't fully understand the implications of what would happen or bought into the Leave propaganda about a CU that would mean things not changing that much. But a good many did see the risk to the Union. This could be a legitimate excuse in England where the risk to NI received little or no coverage particularly as much of the talk was, even if Brexit happens, it will more than likely follow a Norway option, which even hardliners like Farage had bought into at the time.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
And International Convention says that Constitutional Change requires at a super-majority (51% of all eligible voters) or at least a 2/3 majority of those who vote in a binding referendum.
Our pseudo-democracy has allowed a non-legal advisory referendum to get us into this current pickle.
Hey Ho….
Do you mean 61%? I think a supermajority can be anything above 55%, just a matter of agreement before the vote happens.
 

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