While you are right that the referendum was advisory, all the main parties said they would abide by the result and voted overwhelmingly in parliament to trigger art 50 for us to leave, trying to claim it wasnt legitimate is remainers last resort.
EU sausage war
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jamesmartin
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no one bought into the norway option except remainers,farage didnt advocate the norway model just pointing out trade didnt rely on been full members
remain was so concentrated on project economic fear they barely mentioned ni ,presumably as it wasnt such an issue until eu decided it might have leaverage
jamesmartin
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at least we had a referendum ,we didnt when successive govts gave our sovereignty away
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“She also erroneously advised Mr Tusk in her letter that ‘the decision’ to leave the EU had been ‘confirmed’ by the United Kingdom Parliament.
To repeat: Parliament had only given the Prime Minister permission to give notice to the EU of an ‘intention’ to withdraw from the EU.
That’s not at all the same as a specific decision to leave.”
'remain was so concentrated on project economic fear they barely mentioned NI; are you having an effin' laugh? It was everywhere.
jamesmartin
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nor prior the ref
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jamesmartin
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even edited that doesnt show farage argued for a norway model because he dintYou had better tell Farage that then
I'd never count myself as prescient, but it was one of the very first things I discussed with my colleagues. Maybe you just didn't hear or take on board in the gallop towards 'sovrinty'
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And wasn't it just mighty convenient that it was advisory, otherwise the successful legal action could had been brought against 'Vote Leave' for breaking various funding and advertising rules that would have made the whole referendum null and void.
jamesmartin
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remain broke electoral law too and spent 6 millon more than leave,and still lost, it was very enjoyable watching the results night and the dawning realisation remain had lost
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Well, what is he suggesting in this video then other than the benefits of a Norway deal?
jamesmartin
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as a transition period whilst negotiating, we voted for take back control of our laws borders and trade
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Which is bizarre really that we are where we are now, because the only border we didn't have control of before was the one between ROI and NI - and we still don't.
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You can dress it up how you like. The fact remains that the no deal/hard Brexit was not really on the cards at the Referendum to quote the leading Brexiters:-
After all we hold all the cards.
The German car industry will force the EU into a favourable deal with the UK .
The one thing that will not change is our ability to trade freely with Europe.
The free trade agreement we will do with the EU will be the easiest in history.
That all turned out well.
Since Elizabeth the first, the British have struggled to come up with solutions, any goddam solution to the “Irish Question”.
Here we are centuries later, the British establishment knows as little about how to solve the “question”, as back then, and cares a good deal less.
But make no mistake, that same establishment is hell bent on Global Rule Britannia, and the final sacrifice of NI as a part of the union, is in their eye a worthy sacrifice.
All the bull fertiliser spewing out of the mouths of Boris and Raab, about doing “whatever it takes”, to get rid of the protocol, is mere hot air. Boris can’t be trusted from one minute to the next.
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Of course it's the same,triggering art 50 was approved overwhelmingly by parliament, in effect tendering our resignation, yes there was later a remainer attempt to say we could withdraw it, at the time it was triggered no one thought it could be withdrawn.
Blimey isnt it about time you let it go, I thought my ex wife could harbour a grudge but remain are giving her a run for her money
“She also erroneously advised Mr Tusk in her letter that ‘the decision’ to leave the EU had been ‘confirmed’ by the United Kingdom Parliament.
To repeat: Parliament had only given the Prime Minister permission to give notice to the EU of an ‘intention’ to withdraw from the EU.
That’s not at all the same as a specific decision to leave.”
Of course it's the same,triggering art 50 was approved overwhelmingly by parliament, in effect tendering our resignation, yes there was later a remainer attempt to say we could withdraw it, at the time it was triggered no one thought it could be withdrawn.
What you mean like the 9 million pound leaflet drop from the remain side, oops the government I mean. It was a one sided biased argument from a government that wanted us to remain.
Blimey isnt it about time you let it go, I thought my ex wife could harbour a grudge but remain are giving her a run for her money
So you complain we dont have a solution, any solution and then say we are effectively given NI back to the south do make your mind up. There is a system in place to have a border poll to decide if Ireland becomes united as far as I'm concerned as a Democrat the only people to have a say are those living in the north, should they decide they want to unite with the south then the south can have a vote to see if they want it too, it is pretty simple but the silence is deafening about having a vote, we of course know the reason, I notice you still havent answered my question about whether Ireland had a referendum on dumping the punt, I guess your silence answers my question,
Of course we didn’t have a referendum on the Euro. Neither did we have a referendum on dumping the Irish Pound for the adoption of the Punt.
We have referendums on “constitutional” matters. Not on monetary or fiscal policy. We elect a government to govern, within the parameters of the constitution. Written constitution that is.
jamesmartin
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yes mainly because t may and remainer parliament let eu think if they were unreasonable we would stayYou can dress it up how you like. The fact remains that the no deal/hard Brexit was not really on the cards at the Referendum to quote the leading Brexiters:-
After all we hold all the cards.
The German car industry will force the EU into a favourable deal with the UK .
The one thing that will not change is our ability to trade freely with Europe.
The free trade agreement we will do with the EU will be the easiest in history.
That all turned out well.