Ivermectin , covid cure

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Covid like it or not is generally a disease of the unhealthy ( by virtue of illness or just age) anything that works on someone's health as ivermectin does probably isn't curing covid but probably working on the underlying health issues. I am sure the results from ivermectin are probably much better in poorer less developed countries.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Post 852 & 854 - yes, I read the report, when it first came out. The second of those is the post you quoted of mine above. I also read the author’s bio, her self penned vanity website, the published accounts of her company and many other things about her - including (iirc) the fact that she was no longer practicing medically and had previously been a obstetrician, which has minimal relevance to Covid. All was discussed in this thread when it first came out, alongside the fact that the report had no peer review and hence wasn’t of particularly high scientific standard.

I also asked in post 852 if the paper had been peer reviewed since, and if my assessment of the author was fair - a request repeated in post 854.

Now who’s playing games and being infantile?

Her paper has been peer reviewed today as it happens. She is a statistician who has worked with various agencies including the WHO in recent years, not a clinician specialising in viruses. I have never seen a claim that she was.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Covid like it or not is generally a disease of the unhealthy ( by virtue of illness or just age) anything that works on someone's health as ivermectin does probably isn't curing covid but probably working on the underlying health issues. I am sure the results from ivermectin are probably much better in poorer less developed countries.
Tell that to all the young and healthy people who have had debilitating illness, a significant proportion of whom have serious 'long Covid' which impacts their health and work badly.

Are you suggesting that the efficacy of Ivermectin against Covid in countries where it has been quite extensively and effectively used is down to it clearing them of parasites? If so, you are the first one to have made this suggestion and you may be inline for a Nobel Prize if proven. Don't hold your breath though.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Tell that to all the young and healthy people who have had debilitating illness, a significant proportion of whom have serious 'long Covid' which impacts their health and work badly.

Are you suggesting that the efficacy of Ivermectin against Covid in countries where it has been quite extensively and effectively used is down to it clearing them of parasites? If so, you are the first one to have made this suggestion and you may be inline for a Nobel Prize if proven. Don't hold your breath though.
I put a generally and a probably in there because I guess the reason for any ivermectin success would be clearing up some underlying conditions. If I can get a Nobel prize for that comment on a Farming Forum I will have to clear the mantlepiece because I am full of good suggestions.
However the fact that Covid kills the old and sick disproportionally is totally true and when it kills younger people it is probably in combination with something else. I don't understand long Covid. I have two University students for children and they are fairly mobile and have yet to come across anyone with it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist but I wonder {note.wonder) if it's a type of post covid traumatic stress disorder.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Covid doesnt kill directly. It is always a consequence of covid that kills. Always something else. Either inflammation of the lungs or pulmonary system, clotting or seizure, pneumonia, or organ failure. Ivermectin works by stopping the virus invading cells rather than killing it, also stopping it replicating and being an anti inflammatory.
That ‘something else’ need not already be present. Do you feel lucky today? After all, the majority only have mild symptoms. Well di ya punk?
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Covid doesnt kill directly. It is always a consequence of covid that kills. Always something else. Either inflammation of the lungs or pulmonary system, clotting or seizure, pneumonia, or organ failure. Ivermectin works by stopping the virus invading cells rather than killing it, also stopping it replicating and being an anti inflammatory.
That ‘something else’ need not already be present. Do you feel lucky today? After all, the majority only have mild symptoms. Well di ya punk?
Everyday on Gods’ Earth I feel lucky and so should you. Blimey everyone is so aggressive these days.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Covid like it or not is generally a disease of the unhealthy ( by virtue of illness or just age) anything that works on someone's health as ivermectin does probably isn't curing covid but probably working on the underlying health issues. I am sure the results from ivermectin are probably much better in poorer less developed countries.
That is a very good point! If the ivermectin is taking out a pre-existing parasite problem the treated persons immune system is then certainly going to fair far better when exposed to a viral pathogen.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Tell that to all the young and healthy people who have had debilitating illness, a significant proportion of whom have serious 'long Covid' which impacts their health and work badly.

Are you suggesting that the efficacy of Ivermectin against Covid in countries where it has been quite extensively and effectively used is down to it clearing them of parasites? If so, you are the first one to have made this suggestion and you may be inline for a Nobel Prize if proven. Don't hold your breath though.

In which countries has Ivermectin been used quite extensively and effectively in controlling Covid?
 

Farmer Fin

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Arable Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
That is a very good point! If the ivermectin is taking out a pre-existing parasite problem the treated persons immune system is then certainly going to fair far better when exposed to a viral pathogen.
What kills most people is actually their own immune system over reacting to covid. Hence why the age old treatment of Dex is effective as it dampens down the immune system. It will be interesting to see the results of the Oxford study.
 

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