Groundswell 2021

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
At this stage it could morph into a cracking scheme or descend into abject failure to deliver (either the public goods or the financial support).

I'm very worried about the lack of flexibility of interpretation on farm. I deeply belive it needs to be more of a "framework" allowing each farm to negotiate exactly how the outcomes are delivered in their specific set of circumstances. It should feel like a genuine partnership with DEFRA, not another imposed subsidy scheme.

A Good start would be for each farm to have a named person in DEFRA to liaise with whose role is to find a way to make the broad options on offer work effectively within the constraints of the farm.

There is a gulf of trust between farmers and DEFRA/RPA/EA/NE/ Forestry Commission. Bridging that is essential if ELMS is to be a success.

What you propose will be far to expensive to facilitate. And there will have to be rigour (for which read inflexibility) to allow inspection and policing (yep, you and farmers will say that is last thing needed - but the man from the Treasury will insist - isn't just the EU that need to audit public expenditure.

Hope I am wrong - but I will have a threepenny bit with you I am nearer the mark!!

Best wishes,
 

snarling bee

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
From a more conventional standpoint. ELM and SFI will never have wholesale uptake if it doesn't facilitate control of Blackgrass and other weeds, and that has surely got to be good for the environment in reduced ag chem use. If they would pay us to, say, have 3 cover crops over a fallow 12 months it would be a winner. Perhaps we could plant a cover early Sept, spray off between Nov and Feb, then redrill and spray off late May and then redrill and spray off pre drilling in Sept. Pay us £500 ha plus seed costs and I'll sign up now.
 
Location
N Yorks
From a more conventional standpoint. ELM and SFI will never have wholesale uptake if it doesn't facilitate control of Blackgrass and other weeds, and that has surely got to be good for the environment in reduced ag chem use. If they would pay us to, say, have 3 cover crops over a fallow 12 months it would be a winner. Perhaps we could plant a cover early Sept, spray off between Nov and Feb, then redrill and spray off late May and then redrill and spray off pre drilling in Sept. Pay us £500 ha plus seed costs and I'll sign up now.
That's a cracking idea
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Really interesting talk at the end of the second day on virtual fencing with electric collars, if we hadn't spent a lot of money on polywire and semi permanent fencing would have probably thought seriously about it, sounded and looked really great actually. I think unless farming stock becomes so unprofitable that everyone becomes a dog and stick farmer who abandons all marginal land, it will be the way forward. looked hugely exciting.
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Really interesting talk at the end of the second day on virtual fencing with electric collars, if we hadn't spent a lot of money on polywire and semi permanent fencing would have probably thought seriously about it, sounded and looked really great actually. I think unless farming stock becomes so unprofitable that everyone becomes a dog and stick farmer who abandons all marginal land, it will be the way forward. looked hugely exciting.
Yes I was there too and thought exactly the same as you. I went up the front afterwards and asked how much. The answer was £200 per collar per year!!!! I may have got that wrong so if anybody else has a different figure please correct me.

When they said that I was suddenly a lot less interested.

I bet the Cherrys get a free demo next year so we can see it working.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Yes I was there too and thought exactly the same as you. I went up the front afterwards and asked how much. The answer was £200 per collar per year!!!! I may have got that wrong so if anybody else has a different figure please correct me.

When they said that I was suddenly a lot less interested.

I bet the Cherrys get a free demo next year so we can see it working.
I asked a question about the cost and she would not answer, so James looked it up on the website while she was talking and he said £30 a year I think.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Yes I was there too and thought exactly the same as you. I went up the front afterwards and asked how much. The answer was £200 per collar per year!!!! I may have got that wrong so if anybody else has a different figure please correct me.

When they said that I was suddenly a lot less interested.

I bet the Cherrys get a free demo next year so we can see it working.
I asked a question about the cost and she would not answer, so James looked it up on the website while she was talking and he said £30 a year I think.
I asked that question on their stand. IIRC they said you could either buy upfront then just pay subscription for the app (£230/collar then £30/yr/farm for app subscription) or rent them for £37/month/collar including the app. I May have the figures a little out but it was that sort of figure. Volume discounts start from 10 collars.

A bit dear yet imho.
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
I asked that question on their stand. IIRC they said you could either buy upfront then just pay subscription for the app (£230/collar then £30/yr/farm for app subscription) or rent them for £37/month/collar including the app. I May have the figures a little out but it was that sort of figure. Volume discounts start from 10 collars.

A bit dear yet imho.
Ah that sounds a bit more like it. 230 for the collar as you say is still a bit on the dear side
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Really interesting talk at the end of the second day on virtual fencing with electric collars, if we hadn't spent a lot of money on polywire and semi permanent fencing would have probably thought seriously about it, sounded and looked really great actually. I think unless farming stock becomes so unprofitable that everyone becomes a dog and stick farmer who abandons all marginal land, it will be the way forward. looked hugely exciting.

I had a long chat on the stand and felt at 30% of the price, it was a goer... maybe! Great concept mind.

Like you, I have a few bob tied up in fencing ;)
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
First year I’ve gone and was thoroughly impressed with the whole event.

Everyone I spoke to was very friendly and a lot of interesting discussions were had over lunch or a pint.

Was a long way to go (570 miles) but definitely worth it!
Came home with some definite ideas to try.

I had heard on the day about a crazy man coming all that way... :)
 

cb387

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cotswolds
I get the impression that George Eustice does understand (and is reasonably sympathetic to) farmings issues probably more than most other farm / environment ministers I can remember.

But he obviously well aware the other side of things as well as in

a, UK Gov have f all money and looking to make savings wherever they can
b, vast majority in Westminster don’t give a toss about farming / food security and happy to import what we need - which is surprising considering the wake uk call they should have had regarding supply chains / supermarkets chaos during covid

Whilst the environment is very important, I was surprised that there was so little in his speech about actually producing food for the nation
 
In best Rocky Horror Show parlance, I was a "Virgin" when I rocked up to Groundswell on Tuesday afternoon, unloaded the car and pitched my tent and started the first rattle, with Chris from "ooop North" in the next spot across. The first of many, many grand rattles there.

I enjoyed the event hugely, the craic was good day and night, albeit concern over a diminishing bladder capacity and a tent, meant my alcohol consumption was limited... OK, it's almost en suite for a late night waz, but 5-6C does not lend itself to crawling out of a sleeping bag to the nearby nettles! Longest Day... where was the night warmth...? ;)

Some great speakers, and I enjoyed the odd one when I was "just passing" a tent and started to listen and was then drawn in for an hour... Random conversations all over the shop.... I ended up chatting with a lady from Reading Uni after a passing "good evening, have you had a good day", on Wed night, nearly an hour later, we went on our way. Post covid verbals, or just a group all interested in something along the same lines?

No one, repeat NO ONE, mentioned bloody football once... Joy! :)

I loved the complete cross section of folks there, from Hippy types to corduroy and brogued Land Agents. Barley Barons to Smallholders. Top flight researchers and ignorant eedjits (me). Even the security folks were chilled...

Came away thinking I am probably on the right path, whether I want to go all to the way, I am unsure, but wow, such great food for thought from the 2 days.

Issues? None at all really, food was a bit junky as I had failed to grab enough real food en route down, so my fault really. Could not believe the catering stands were all running out of supplies on day one mind...! Barmy.

Huge thanks to @martian and all the Cherry family for their great work, it really is a superb event.
Why do they call clothes conditioner Comfort. The bottle holds 2ltrs has a neck to contain even the most generous tackle and you can screw the lid down so it does not spill. Beats getting out of the tent and getting stung by the nettles. Add a little bleach so when you open it the next time it smells ok.
On a session 2ltrs is just the minimum size required.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
I really enjoyed both days and would like thank and congratulate the Cherry family and all their helpers for putting on a great event which must have been extra hard to pull off with Covid-19 restrictions.
When will the recordings be available @martian ? There are several I would like to have gone to within the same time slot.
It really is like a great restaurant where you like so much in the menu it's hard to choose, isn't it?
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Why do they call clothes conditioner Comfort. The bottle holds 2ltrs has a neck to contain even the most generous tackle and you can screw the lid down so it does not spill. Beats getting out of the tent and getting stung by the nettles. Add a little bleach so when you open it the next time it smells ok.
On a session 2ltrs is just the minimum size required.

I know where you are coming from.... I have a 1l drinks bottle branded with RAF, the Service! Similarly equipped at teh screw top end :)
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
I get the impression that George Eustice does understand (and is reasonably sympathetic to) farmings issues probably more than most other farm / environment ministers I can remember.

But he obviously well aware the other side of things as well as in

a, UK Gov have f all money and looking to make savings wherever they can
b, vast majority in Westminster don’t give a toss about farming / food security and happy to import what we need - which is surprising considering the wake uk call they should have had regarding supply chains / supermarkets chaos during covid

Whilst the environment is very important, I was surprised that there was so little in his speech about actually producing food for the nation

It's astonishing how blinkered and basically stupid, many MPs are about the realities of the world. There are some fundamental basics of life that should be more important than political beliefs... Food security is right up there.

One positive about the Lords, is that many have got real life experience as opposed to "professional" politicians in teh Commons, with a goldfish like attention span when it comes to looking at the longer term... of anything!
 

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