EU vaccine role out.

Hindsight · Jul 3, 2021

Charlie Gill said:
I think we are out of the woods, any pressure to get kids done would be the result of them getting badly ill.

I concur in general. But disagree about the kids - it will not be a case of them getting seriously ill - it will be the elderly who come into contact with them - this is all about protecting you and me - the boomers or near boomers. We vote.

Charlie Gill · Jul 3, 2021

Hindsight said:
I concur in general. But disagree about the kids - it will not be a case of them getting seriously ill - it will be the elderly who come into contact with them - this is all about protecting you and me - the boomers or near boomers. We vote.

Yes, we should be ok though. I did forget though about those that are immunocompromised, they'll have to perhaps have a conversation about getting close-contact kids jabbed.

Hindsight · Jul 3, 2021

Charlie Gill said:
Yes, we should be ok though. I did forget though about those that are ummunocompromised, they'll have to perhaps have a conversation about getting close-contact kids jabbed.

Yes, it was those kinda folk I was pondering. Many a teacher or teaching assistant, caretaker, dinner lady may fall into that category. So it will be so much easier if all children are vaccinated. Bit like routinely treating cereal seed for seed borne disease even though most not required. Maybe a poor analogy.

Charlie Gill · Jul 3, 2021

Hindsight said:
Yes, it was those kinda folk I was pondering. Many a teacher or teaching assistant, caretaker, dinner lady may fall into that category. So it will be so much easier if all children are vaccinated. Bit like routinely treating cereal seed for seed borne disease even though most not required. Maybe a poor analogy.

That opens a can. Easier to vaccinate kids, or ppe for the vulnerable?

Hindsight · Jul 3, 2021

Charlie Gill said:
That opens a can. Easier to vaccinate kids, or ppe for the vulnerable?

Both, I presume. Staff who are vulnerable will be covered by health and safety legislation (furlough one I presume). So if request PPE will presume get it. Kids vaccinated - well that is that box ticked. Be interesting to see over the coming weeks the reaction of the teaching Unions. Kicked up a fuss before about having vaccinations early and before their individual ages - though government held resolve on that - but of course UK vaccination programme has been very quick compared to other countries - so the issue not really an issue.

Mouser · Jul 3, 2021

Hindsight said:
Both, I presume. Staff who are vulnerable will be covered by health and safety legislation (furlough one I presume). So if request PPE will presume get it. Kids vaccinated - well that is that box ticked. Be interesting to see over the coming weeks the reaction of the teaching Unions. Kicked up a fuss before about having vaccinations early and before their individual ages - though government held resolve on that - but of course UK vaccination programme has been very quick compared to other countries - so the issue not really an issue.

But vaccinated only 40% less likely to contract and or transmit covid so still a significant risk to vulnerable?

Hindsight · Jul 3, 2021

Mouser said:
But vaccinated only 40% less likely to contract and or transmit covid so still a significant risk to vulnerable?

Belt, braces and safety pin.

Kids vaccinated, all staff and adults in schools vaccinated. PPE available and worn. C'mon you know it makes sense. Why would you disagree.

Mouser · Jul 3, 2021

My kids be getting no vaccine for a long long time.

JCMaloney · Jul 3, 2021

For all those saying "their kids won`t be vaccinated" they may wish to consider how many vaccines said kids will already have had, and will get before reaching their teens.

Mouser · Jul 3, 2021

JCMaloney said:
For all those saying "their kids won`t be vaccinated" they may wish to consider how many vaccines said kids will already have had, and will get before reaching their teens.

Why? Those vaccines have been used tested and studied for years. Not developed and given to millions within months!

Lowland1 · Jul 3, 2021

JCMaloney said:
For all those saying "their kids won`t be vaccinated" they may wish to consider how many vaccines said kids will already have had, and will get before reaching their teens.

It’s funny but i was looking at my emails and there was one from the School Nurse from when my kids came to school in the UK asking for my kids vaccination records. We couldn’t find any but we knew they’d had one for measles but nothing else. They are still with us so i do wonder in this day and age how many are really neccesary due to improved general childhealth.

BrianV · Jul 3, 2021

Lowland1 said:
It’s funny but i was looking at my emails and there was one from the School Nurse from when my kids came to school in the UK asking for my kids vaccination records. We couldn’t find any but we knew they’d had one for measles but nothing else. They are still with us so i do wonder in this day and age how many are really neccesary due to improved general childhealth.

I suppose the thing is if enough people or kids get vaccinated then any disease quietly disappears as it has no one to pass itself on to, on the other hand if no one gets vaccinated it's paradise all the way for any virus.

Lowland1 · Jul 3, 2021

BrianV said:
I suppose the thing is if enough people or kids get vaccinated then any disease quietly disappears as it has no one to pass itself on to, on the other hand if no one gets vaccinated it's paradise all the way for any virus.

Or because vaccines came in at a time in history when there were still issues with such things as low birthweight, poor nutrition and poor hygeine and living conditions a lot of these things have been eradicated in the developed world.

bobk · Jul 3, 2021

Lowland1 said:
Or because vaccines came in at a time in history when there were still issues with such things as low birthweight, poor nutrition and poor hygeine and living conditions a lot of these things have been eradicated in the developed world.

You've been away too long .

Lowland1 · Jul 3, 2021

bobk said:
You've been away too long .

I see those things everyday you really don’t have them in the UK. I doubt there are many even in Staffordshire fetching drinking water from the river or living in mud huts with no sanitation.

bobk · Jul 3, 2021

Lowland1 said:
I see those things everyday you really don’t have them in the UK. I doubt there are many even in Staffordshire fetching drinking water from the river or living in mud huts with no sanitation.

Indeed , but we're led to believe 5 million families here are in poverty .
You need a word with Kier .

Lowland1 · Jul 3, 2021

bobk said:
Indeed , but we're led to believe 5 million families here are in poverty .
You need a word with Kier .

Possibly they don’t know where their next xbox or iphone is coming from.

arcobob · Jul 3, 2021

Hindsight said:
Concurr. But afraid the mass vaccination of the under 30s will occur - the state has decided that. If not vaccinated you will find it difficult to function in society. It is apparent whether Johnson (Billy Bunter) says it or not that a vaccination card is going to be your pass to social freedom and foreign travel. Take it or leave it. Choice will be yours, though am not so sure about the choice.

By "The state" you obviously mean the UK state. Have you not noticed that it is not just our state that is starting to recognise the importance of vaccination. I made the statement many posts ago that antivaxers would suffer restrictions in their everyday lives. Why are you surprised that this has actually happened?

essex man · Jul 3, 2021

arcobob said:
By "The stae" you obviously mean the UK state. Have you not noticed that it is not just our state that is starting to recognise the importance of vaccination. I made the statement many posts ago that antivaxers would suffer restrictions in their everyday lives. Why are you surprised that this has actually happened?

It hasn't

bobk · Jul 3, 2021

arcobob said:
By "The stae" you obviously mean the UK state. Have you not noticed that it is not just our state that is starting to recognise the importance of vaccination. I made the statement many posts ago that antivaxers would suffer restrictions in their everyday lives. Why are you surprised that this has actually happened?

I think @Hindsight has become somewhat blasé about the virus recently , possibly because he's got some AZ in his arm .

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